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Proposed changes to the Premier league

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trueblue84 said:
Why is it about compromise? Other than EFL clubs needing cash, absolutely nobody was complaining about football in its current format. This is 2 American owned clubs trying to bastardise a sport that isn't theirs to maximise their investment. There is no other reason.
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How quickly they forget.
 
catcherintherye said:
I think there's a lot in that, and Ill try to come back with each point in turn. There is a lot of overlap in our thoughts.

Firstly I think if the Super League was in any way a viable possibility it would have already happened by now. I've been hearing for 20 years how within 5 years there will be a super league. It's not impossible, but you cn see from these proposals United/Liverpool have no regard for the wider game so if it was viable, they'd be doing it. I think the existential threat is used to scare people to get more out of them. Thats the game here. It's like a domestically abusive spouse constantly telling their partner they could get better elsewhere and they have to do more etc. A common abusers trick. After years, indeed decades of threat, if they were going to walk, they'd have done so.

The reality is, there is a finite amount of money across European football. There is x amount of people who want to watch, y amount of money they are happy to spend. You may have potential growth of z. My strong suspicion is that x, y & z do not come to a number that would allow 16 teams to earn from a single league what they currently earn from their domestic leagues + Champions league football.

The value of the EPL (the big and only big success story) is well on the decline now, not only the rate of growth slowing (and now revenues per game actually dropping). The CL (the closest thing we have to a prototype European Super League) is also losing support, at an even quicker rate than the EPL. You throw on the recession we are heading into and there couldn't be a worse time to break away.

They also seem to be alienating ever bigger sections with this too. Increasingly it looks like tey may try to stream it themselves, so put themselves up against every major broadcaster who have rights to their own leagues. You've seen what's happened to the CL when they lost a single big Broadcaster (Sky) imagine going up against each one? It's a massive risk.

As for the final point, we essentially agree on this. What this does is continue to frame and strengthen the debate. I'm already seeing thick Kopites waffling on about "well something has to be done about games" and "The FA are incompetent" etc. It frames the debate and continues to put into their head the myth that rather than extorting money out of the league, that the league are somehow dependant upon them. So in that sense it works.

I have to be honest though, my gut feeling is this looks a big mistake from them. It seems a poor plan, put out very badly, with no razzamataz and losing any attempt at a culture. I suspect they are losing large chunks of other sides in the top 6's fanbase that would be winnable and indeed even some of their own fans. They have not succeeded in pitching this as a greedy land grab, and seeing their demands not as good for the game, but actually a greedy grab at power. Given Sky etc slavish devotion to them, it's a big mistake for them to lose tht support.

The SuperLeague could happen. Sometimes events overcome logic. Brexit is an example of this. I don't think half the people involved with Brexit ever wanted it to happen, but events and momentum overcame them. I think this will be voted down. If they had anything about them, they would resign from the league as a result as they bring in all the money apparently. They wont though. As they are disingenous and want to have their cake and eat it, shovelling off ever increasing and uneven sections of the pie, while still complaining it's unfair and they will leave unless they are pandered too.
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Yes not surprisingly I'm on the same page, there has been real opposition to the super league notably from England and Germany, the latter being fiercely proud of the fan based model they have for club football and reluctant to change it. The English teams have naturally seen their huge financial advantage just get bigger every year, the premier league is the golden goose laying a golden egg to order, why kill that golden goose?

Mostly the pressure has come from Juventus in Italy and the absolute ???**"£#" (insert derogatory words) who runs the Spanish FA. Real, Barca and the Italian giants look towards England and see even moderate average clubs being flush with spending power, they see the oligarchs and nation oil states owing clubs (PSG being the exception from France) and see the riches the prem keeps giving.

You can sum it up in one word, ENVY they need a way of somehow sharing the wealth as football tries to really break into the Chinese Asian market in a far bigger way, perhaps even the huge immigrant population in the States and with so many South Americans in top European teams, that continent too. To come up with an all new singing and dancing massive commercial winner involving all the truly elite and traditional top clubs of the European powerhouse nations, with all the world's best players is their idea, if the prem withers on the vine at the same time then so be it and all the better for them.

Without Germany and Englsnd's top teams though it was always a non starter, unless these countries moved from their positions they were stuck and not moving, so it's no surprise it hasn't got off the ground Now Englsnd, one of the main obstacles, looks as though it's top few could be giving them enough space to manoeuvre, now may be the time.

Having painted this as possible, don't get me wrong in that I actually think it's likely to happen because I don't, without Germany it's still a non starter although really it's only Bayern to persuade and if all the other pieces fall into place then I wouldn't totally discount being wrong on this occasion.
 
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I can't see the 6 going to the EFL. What happened when they all finish top of the league? Do they get promoted and we go back to where we are? Or do they say nah, not going uo. Positions 7to9 go up?
Threats/plans to join the EFL are just basically nonsense.

On the European games thing. Why not just extend the competition. Top 8 from the major leagues. Games every sat/sun and tue/wed.
The ego teams stay in Europe. Chance for others to play as well. Jobs a goodun.
 
Can someone explain where this "they can go to the EFL" is coming from? So Manchester United and Liverpool are mooted to leave the Premier League and go to the Championship?
 

twoblue said:
It will be Man Utd and Liverpool streaming platforms. They will be will have 25million subscribers. We would struggle to get 200k. And the heirarchy would be cemented forever more
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But in all seriousness, what the hell will they do with all the extra money? It will only go on inflated transfer fees and salaries. What the hell is the point. They will just be giving that money to others anyway.
Have a steaming platform. Equal shareholders. Job done.
 
number4. said:
this would be my take on where they ultimately want it to get to - I dont think the numbers would be that extreme; but the gap would certainly be significant.
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They will have 100 tv fans to our 1 across the world. As a business idea it makes perfect sense to secure this deal. These owners are not football fans... they ruthless business men from another country with no desires to rescue English traditions
 
twoblue said:
They will have 100 tv fans to our 1 across the world. As a business idea it makes perfect sense to secure this deal. These owners are not football fans... they ruthless business men from another country with no desires to rescue English traditions
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Many would argue they are fans of the league product, not the individual teams
 
woomy said:
On the European games thing. Why not just extend the competition. Top 8 from the major leagues. Games every sat/sun and tue/wed.
The ego teams stay in Europe. Chance for others to play as well. Jobs a goodun.
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Point is they HATE that anyone other than themselves are in Europe. I honestly can see the majority of their owners being devastated that they have to play teams like Lille and CSKA in the group stages. They just want to play the glory teams in a loop to sell to their overseas fans, that’s literally what this entire thing revolves around. It’s insidious
 
woomy said:
But in all seriousness, what the hell will they do with all the extra money? It will only go on inflated transfer fees and salaries. What the hell is the point. They will just be giving that money to others anyway.
Have a steaming platform. Equal shareholders. Job done.
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Ha ha .... what will the do with the extra money? Pay shareholder huge amounts of money and take the money out of football.
 

twoblue said:
They will have 100 tv fans to our 1 across the world. As a business idea it makes perfect sense to secure this deal. These owners are not football fans... they ruthless business men from another country with no desires to rescue English traditions
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English traditions ?
Long gone.
FA Cup now an afterthought etc.
And as the fans, we get constantly mugged off with fixtures and kick off times.
Boxing Day games miles away with a late KO etc.

Last season shouldn’t have even restarted really either and we all know it.
 

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