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Prostitution - Should We Legalise It?

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It's legal here in Denmark also.
And in Austria.

I know this was an old thread, but some of the comments about affecting house prices haven't happened over here. There's a brothel in a mountain village next to other bed and breakfasts and looking pretty much the same, there's one on the main country road near the German border with the only thing distinguishing it being a red heart on a sign, there are adult (sorry for the pun) discussions about building new ones with the main arguments being about the benefit to local taxes and the problems with parking.

From seeing what happens here, I would say that having legalised prostitution doesn't appear to do away with a lot of the problems that surround illegal prostitution. There is still a close connection to gangs, drugs and violence. There is still the problem with people trafficking and being forced into the sex industry, and still a large problem with petty crime and sex for drugs.

Anyway, as for ideas about a niche to research, how about the potential economic benefits and disadvantages (either locally or nationally) that a legalisation might have?
 
My top tip for writing a dissertation is (depending on the required amount of words) to not choose too broad a subject. Try to narrow it down - attempting to cover every nuance, scientific study and moral, societal, ethical and cultural facet of prostitution - will result in a work the size of a textbook.

Cheers mate. Thats what I am trying to do now.
 
it was supposed to be the post following danny's but dylan the perv was too quick. do you have to do the same subject, cos if you like we could put out an ad, me and sharpy will vet the "customers" and watch for the bizzies, you can then do your research.

I get it now.

I thought you were replying to..."where we meeting" in the other thread. :lol:
 
:resists temptation to point out the public has been taking it up the shi**er from government and paying for the privilege for many many years:
 

And what might be considered right today may be considered wrong in a hundred years. You're talking relativism, which gets a pretty bad press and deservedly so. Not everything is relative to culture. Murder, rape and theft being three obvious distinctions.

Sorry mate, but this is a staggeringly naive post.

Example (sorry to invoke Godwins Law)

It is widely considered that world war 2 was a necessary and just war; that hitler needed to be met, fought and the nazis destroyed.

The only way of doing this was making murder culturally acceptable - which is pretty much a part of the defenition of a war.

As the war machines of Russia, Germany, the US (eventually) and the UK moved across Europe individuals lost their homes, possessions, valuable goods, businesses etc in wide scale looting, war appropriation and redistribution as part of the spoils of war. With such senseless carnage and loss of life going around, perhaps worrying about a few paintings here or a house here didnt make much sense - but then countries were being invaded, co-opted and stolen - theft became a cultural norm.

As for rape, in the cultural circumstances of war - this is more frequent than it should be - indeed Stalin, turned a blind eye to the atrocities of the red army, on its way to berlin - were thousands of soldiers were raping women and even children. When the reports were brought up by a general, Stalin justified the actions of his army.

There are many instances of culturally sanctified murder, rape and theft outside of the conditions of war.
 
It's even legal here in Singapore - where buying chewing gum, eating on the train, spitting and just about everything in between is illegal.

It's heavily regulated and only allowed in designated areas, the girls have mandatory health check-ups on a monthly basis and it's one of these things that's widely accepted as it doesn't bother anyone that doesn't specifically go out looking for it.

Seems the way forward to me.
 
As the war machines of Russia, Germany, the US (eventually) and the UK moved across Europe individuals lost their homes, possessions, valuable goods, businesses etc in wide scale looting, war appropriation and redistribution as part of the spoils of war. With such senseless carnage and loss of life going around, perhaps worrying about a few paintings here or a house here didnt make much sense - but then countries were being invaded, co-opted and stolen - theft became a cultural norm.

There was me believing a huge factor in why WWII actually started was because of the appropriations made after WWI.
 

That's what I can think of at the moment. I disagree with most of them, though. It all depends how you angle an argument. I would make sure that you address all the so-called negatives first before proposing that the positives outweigh them.

Nebbiolo Just so as you don't think I'm stalking you, or accusing you of supporting something you don't I've quoted your comment above.
I just wanted to use some of your list below as it conveniently summarises most of the salient points. I'm not attempting to imply you support any of them.


First a general point. Only women prostitutes have been mentioned. But it's an occupation open to both sexes. Male prostitution seems to get less publicity but all of the same drawbacks seem to apply.

1. Removes women from the grips of organised criminals.

It doesn't. Legit business won't touch them for all the obvious reasons. Legal brothels are run by criminals as legit businesses, which - as prostitution generates cash for which no proof of source is required (eg VAT returns, receipts, invoices etc) can very easily be used for money laundering. Also there was a report I saw recently which claimed that some (many?) women working in legal brothels in the US were held illegally as a form of bonded labour against drug debts.

2. Legitimises the right of women to do with their bodies as they please

They have that right already, they just aren't allowed to advertise them for sale. Same goes for male prostitutes. Hands up who would be up for trying their er...hand, etc ? Count me out.

3. Brings these women into the mainstream of society. They are not criminals anymore, but taxpayers and contribute the same as everyone else. They are productive members of society.

It'll be a while before 'taxpaying whore' becomes a compliment.

4. Allows for women to have necessary health checks

They can (and should) anyway. As should the men who use them. Assuming that trasmission can be reduced by screening only the prostitutes risks creating a false sense of security. Many conditions are/can be asymptomatic (Trich, Herpes etc) and the assumption will be that a prostitute is healthy until proven to be a carrier by which time they could have had hundreds of partners. (let's say they have monthly check ups and average 10 partners a day - so up to 309 infected partners.
AIDS is not detectable for up to six months after infection but can still be transmitted.

5. Reduces sexually transmitted diseases (need evidence for that claim)
See above

6. Reduces instances of rape or sexual abuse (as above)
Apart from date rape, obsession/stalking and paedophiles?
Anyway if prostitution and brothels are as common as believed how come there's still rape?

7. Reduces the traffic of women

Only assuming it's possible to adequately check the women working in brothels are there voluntarily - see point 1. It also assumes that illegal brothels will cease to exist if legal brothels exist. What if more widespread social acceptance of brothels simply reduced interest in cracking down on illegal operators, which are already difficult enough to identify and close down.

8. Keeps women off the street and has the benefit of less of the social problems associated with areas where kerb crawlers frequent (drug use, innocent women be accosted, rape)

Let's ask whoever is living next door to the brothels how they feel.

9. In keeping with the liberal principle of JS Mill: That the only just reason power can be asserted over others is to prevent harm to others.

Human traficking, AIDS etc

10. Keeps government out of our private lives. Who is government to moralise?

That opens several cans of worms including the question of whether there should be an age of consent. In a democracy governments are elected by a majority of the voters to enact legislation on their behalf. If the voters don't agree with the 'moralising' of the people they elected they can vote them out.

11. Essentially prostitution is a victimless crime

A view which might not be backed up by a poll of 'retired' prostitutes.

12. Prostitution will always continue, why fight it?

So will burglery, paedophilia, fraud, terrorism. And we fight them because we find them morally reprehensible and their existance detremental to society.
 
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It's even legal here in Singapore - where buying chewing gum, eating on the train, spitting and just about everything in between is illegal.

It's heavily regulated and only allowed in designated areas, the girls have mandatory health check-ups on a monthly basis and it's one of these things that's widely accepted as it doesn't bother anyone that doesn't specifically go out looking for it.

Seems the way forward to me.

me and the mrs walked down the singapore red light when staying in little india, i have to say that i wouldnt have touched them with danny's. funniest thing was the guy who was showing us around said the good looking ones are around the corner, they were better looking but they were also blokes. apparently the chinese contingency there cant get enough of them.
 
me and the mrs walked down the singapore red light when staying in little india, i have to say that i wouldnt have touched them with danny's. funniest thing was the guy who was showing us around said the good looking ones are around the corner, they were better looking but they were also blokes. apparently the chinese contingency there cant get enough of them.

Big problem over most of Asia really is the number of ladyboys - I've had a chuckle at more than one sailor in town thinking he'd bagged a couple of hotties for the night... To each their own I guess, maybe it was what they were after (my excuse for not pointing things out to them!)...

The legalised zones work according to a strange pre-determined value - if you want gorgeous, expensive girls in similar bars/hotels, you'd have to go miles away from the seedy streetwalker types...

It's all common knowledge amongst most expat circels, maybe once I pay off my Xmas bills I'll scope it out a bit more.
 
Danny,

Depends on the contrast of your sample mate, i assume your looking at it from a sociological perspective, you may need to decide on wheather you want to look at Western Culture, Asian, African or more specificaly European. If your hypothesis is going to be, proved or disproved it should be based on a soceity or soceity's that have are pretty simliar, in terms of values, standard of living, rates of poverty, education and religon, perhaps looking at them as variables.

In Europe, i think though Amsterdam is renowned for its sex industry, i beleive Germany is the main growth area in Europe and entrapenaurs in the sense of developing mass brothels legalised which i beleive has only happened recently, which is a signifcant change in attitude. That may be an intresting comparriosn considering the diversity and ethnicity of many German city's, and the eventfull, colourfull socilogical history of the nation in general, despite a streiotyoe of being a rigid and mechinised soceity.

Asia and Afirca i think you would come acorss prostition as a result of poverty!

If you have a few sheckels Oz may be an intersting study, as they have a fedral system over there and i think im right in saying that prostituion is leagal in some of the states but not others. So that would be intresting looking at different atttudes in different states but at the same time within the one country and national identity.
 
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Right. I'm about to start a dissertation and believe it or not - theres a fair few educated folk on here. I'm looking at you Neb, Neiler, Bruce and TX...

I'm just about to start mine, drawing up a plan. I'm thinking of an area within prostitution. That way, I can go to brothels for research purposes. Probably going to look at positives and negatives of the prospect of legalising brothels, as Sweden and other countries have.

Anyone any ideas what they think would be good to include?

I wrote an essay on prostituition which got 83% at uni, but Im not intellegent enough to be on 'your list' so I wont tell you my secrets.
 

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