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Homepage Article Rafael Benitez Appointed Everton Manager

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degsy said:
True;
He can win the 5 but he'll always be a kopite.
I'm more sort of depending on how much it was the kopite's fault that we lost the one...but lets face it Ancelotti had more than a few of those too so he won't be on his own.

He'll spend all of his time here on a one game at a time honeymoon...and you're not as good as your last win, in truth, you're only as good as your Next win.
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He's a kopite, but he's our kopite. Hopefully no worse than an eccentric uncle, who also knows a bit about footer. Fingers crossed
 
allezlesbleus said:
Out of interest mate is that because you liked him more that you liked Koeman pre-appointment or has Benitez done or said something worthy of note in his first week or so?
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Koeman had an arrogance about him I found difficult to take to. He was cold and aloof, and his managerial appointments appear to be based more on what he did as a player than any managerial merit.

He did an OK job at Southampton, but I wasn't overly keen on his appointment, having been aware of his troubles at Valencia. He was managing there when we tried to sign Manuel Fernandes and there were regular reports of him falling out with players, including Fernandes himself who sought refuge by coming back here on loan only 5 months later.

But on the other hand, he did have experience, both in the Premier League and at several big European clubs, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt, especially as he had the aforementioned big name and maybe that may bring us some sort of credibility.

But once he arrived, I didn't like or appreciate his approach in the slightest.

First of all, there was the insistence on keeping us waiting, by going on holiday, not once, but twice. Instantly starting off on the wrong foot, it felt very much like he was taking the role under duress rather than any genuine desire to be here. I'm sure the money offered and the massaging of his giant ego didn't hurt.

And then there was his actual approach. For all of Martinez flaws, he was a likeable character and he at least tried to do things the right way. He failed because he was stubborn. But Koemans idea was not to take stock and work out what we needed, but to implement a complete 180 on anything associated with Martinez. Rather than acknowledge what we had and build on it, he gutted the whole thing. It needed tweaking, but instead he arrogantly did everything he could to undermine his predecessor and as the saying goes, threw the baby out with the bath water.

He quickly got rid of any player associated with Martinez, and set about cobbling together an average bunch of older, overpriced players with zero sell on value in an attempt at the quick fix solution. He had no strategy other than proving that his ideas were the opposite of what had failed previously and he wasn't shy in telling people. His treatment of Niasse, whether you liked him as a player or not, was horrendous for anyone, let alone a so called professional.

His transfer strategy, if you can call it that, was to spend £85m in 1 summer on 5 players who essentially played the same position, a position for which we already had Barkley and an up and coming Keiron Dowell, then proceeded to throw them all under the bus by playing several of them out of position and dropping some of the others completely. And if reports are to be believed, he vetoed a number of suggestions given to him by Steve Walsh in favour of people he already had in mind. Given half the players we signed had either played for him previously or he had already wanted for Southampton, I tend to believe it was probably true.

All in all, he refused to embrace the club, as evidenced by his refusal to move to the city. Unlike his brother, who at least came across like he wanted to be here. It was clear he saw us as nothing but a lucrative stopping point on his way to something he actually wanted to do. His failure was inevitable.

On to Bemitez, I get the impression that he genuinely wants this job. Maybe it is because he already has a home here, maybe because we pay good money and are an established Premier League club that looks good on the CV, I don't know. But what I do know is, in spite of all that, he has more than enough reasons not to take it, not least of all threatening messages outside his family home. If nothing else, you have to admire the sheer bloody mindedness in taking a job that he knows, is not going to be widely accepted.

He said some things a long time ago. It was silly and impudent, and said in the heat of the moment, while managing a rival. But for all the lack of respect that he may have showed, he still didn't say anything as disrespectful as things some of our previous managers have said during and after their time here (ahem, Moyes).

I get the impression that he is desperate to be successful here because his character appears to be someone who is hell bent on proving people wrong.

It's too early to say at the moment, but he is at least saying the right things, and appears to be treating us with more respect than some of the people who came before. And I think its only fair that we do the same until proved otherwise.
 

Kever10 said:
Koeman had an arrogance about him I found difficult to take to. He was cold and aloof, and his managerial appointments appear to be based more on what he did as a player than any managerial merit.

He did an OK job at Southampton, but I wasn't overly keen on his appointment, having been aware of his troubles at Valencia. He was managing there when we tried to sign Manuel Fernandes and there were regular reports of him falling out with players, including Fernandes himself who sought refuge by coming back here on loan only 5 months later.

But on the other hand, he did have experience, both in the Premier League and at several big European clubs, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt, especially as he had the aforementioned big name and maybe that may bring us some sort of credibility.

But once he arrived, I didn't like or appreciate his approach in the slightest.

First of all, there was the insistence on keeping us waiting, by going on holiday, not once, but twice. Instantly starting off on the wrong foot, it felt very much like he was taking the role under duress rather than any genuine desire to be here. I'm sure the money offered and the massaging of his giant ego didn't hurt.

And then there was his actual approach. For all of Martinez flaws, he was a likeable character and he at least tried to do things the right way. He failed because he was stubborn. But Koemans idea was not to take stock and work out what we needed, but to implement a complete 180 on anything associated with Martinez. Rather than acknowledge what we had and build on it, he gutted the whole thing. It needed tweaking, but instead he arrogantly did everything he could to undermine his predecessor and as the saying goes, threw the baby out with the bath water.

He quickly got rid of any player associated with Martinez, and set about cobbling together an average bunch of older, overpriced players with zero sell on value in an attempt at the quick fix solution. He had no strategy other than proving that his ideas were the opposite of what had failed previously and he wasn't shy in telling people. His treatment of Niasse, whether you liked him as a player or not, was horrendous for anyone, let alone a so called professional.

His transfer strategy, if you can call it that, was to spend £85m in 1 summer on 5 players who essentially played the same position, a position for which we already had Barkley and an up and coming Keiron Dowell, then proceeded to throw them all under the bus by playing several of them out of position and dropping some of the others completely. And if reports are to be believed, he vetoed a number of suggestions given to him by Steve Walsh in favour of people he already had in mind. Given half the players we signed had either played for him previously or he had already wanted for Southampton, I tend to believe it was probably true.

All in all, he refused to embrace the club, as evidenced by his refusal to move to the city. Unlike his brother, who at least came across like he wanted to be here. It was clear he saw us as nothing but a lucrative stopping point on his way to something he actually wanted to do. His failure was inevitable.

On to Bemitez, I get the impression that he genuinely wants this job. Maybe it is because he already has a home here, maybe because we pay good money and are an established Premier League club that looks good on the CV, I don't know. But what I do know is, in spite of all that, he has more than enough reasons not to take it, not least of all threatening messages outside his family home. If nothing else, you have to admire the sheer bloody mindedness in taking a job that he knows, is not going to be widely accepted.

He said some things a long time ago. It was silly and impudent, and said in the heat of the moment, while managing a rival. But for all the lack of respect that he may have showed, he still didn't say anything as disrespectful as things some of our previous managers have said during and after their time here (ahem, Moyes).

I get the impression that he is desperate to be successful here because his character appears to be someone who is hell bent on proving people wrong.

It's too early to say at the moment, but he is at least saying the right things, and appears to be treating us with more respect than some of the people who came before. And I think its only fair that we do the same until proved otherwise.
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He had red and white Christmas dekkies, says it all really.
I doubt The Squire of Caldy will be that daft this season, but I bet he had them Last season.
 

Kever10 said:
Koeman had an arrogance about him I found difficult to take to. He was cold and aloof, and his managerial appointments appear to be based more on what he did as a player than any managerial merit.

He did an OK job at Southampton, but I wasn't overly keen on his appointment, having been aware of his troubles at Valencia. He was managing there when we tried to sign Manuel Fernandes and there were regular reports of him falling out with players, including Fernandes himself who sought refuge by coming back here on loan only 5 months later.

But on the other hand, he did have experience, both in the Premier League and at several big European clubs, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt, especially as he had the aforementioned big name and maybe that may bring us some sort of credibility.

But once he arrived, I didn't like or appreciate his approach in the slightest.

First of all, there was the insistence on keeping us waiting, by going on holiday, not once, but twice. Instantly starting off on the wrong foot, it felt very much like he was taking the role under duress rather than any genuine desire to be here. I'm sure the money offered and the massaging of his giant ego didn't hurt.

And then there was his actual approach. For all of Martinez flaws, he was a likeable character and he at least tried to do things the right way. He failed because he was stubborn. But Koemans idea was not to take stock and work out what we needed, but to implement a complete 180 on anything associated with Martinez. Rather than acknowledge what we had and build on it, he gutted the whole thing. It needed tweaking, but instead he arrogantly did everything he could to undermine his predecessor and as the saying goes, threw the baby out with the bath water.

He quickly got rid of any player associated with Martinez, and set about cobbling together an average bunch of older, overpriced players with zero sell on value in an attempt at the quick fix solution. He had no strategy other than proving that his ideas were the opposite of what had failed previously and he wasn't shy in telling people. His treatment of Niasse, whether you liked him as a player or not, was horrendous for anyone, let alone a so called professional.

His transfer strategy, if you can call it that, was to spend £85m in 1 summer on 5 players who essentially played the same position, a position for which we already had Barkley and an up and coming Keiron Dowell, then proceeded to throw them all under the bus by playing several of them out of position and dropping some of the others completely. And if reports are to be believed, he vetoed a number of suggestions given to him by Steve Walsh in favour of people he already had in mind. Given half the players we signed had either played for him previously or he had already wanted for Southampton, I tend to believe it was probably true.

All in all, he refused to embrace the club, as evidenced by his refusal to move to the city. Unlike his brother, who at least came across like he wanted to be here. It was clear he saw us as nothing but a lucrative stopping point on his way to something he actually wanted to do. His failure was inevitable.

On to Bemitez, I get the impression that he genuinely wants this job. Maybe it is because he already has a home here, maybe because we pay good money and are an established Premier League club that looks good on the CV, I don't know. But what I do know is, in spite of all that, he has more than enough reasons not to take it, not least of all threatening messages outside his family home. If nothing else, you have to admire the sheer bloody mindedness in taking a job that he knows, is not going to be widely accepted.

He said some things a long time ago. It was silly and impudent, and said in the heat of the moment, while managing a rival. But for all the lack of respect that he may have showed, he still didn't say anything as disrespectful as things some of our previous managers have said during and after their time here (ahem, Moyes).

I get the impression that he is desperate to be successful here because his character appears to be someone who is hell bent on proving people wrong.

It's too early to say at the moment, but he is at least saying the right things, and appears to be treating us with more respect than some of the people who came before. And I think its only fair that we do the same until proved otherwise.
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Mark O'Brien said his touch line demeanor was of a bloke waiting for the RAC
 
degsy said:
He had red and white Christmas dekkies, says it all really.
I doubt The Squire of Caldy will be that daft this season, but I bet he had them Last season.
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yes, that was the final straw. To desecrate Blue Chrimbo in such insensitive, cavalier fashion was waaay beyond the pale. Last season revealed how important Blue Chrimbo is to our brave lionhearts. Almost to the week that some silly sausage at Everton HQ decided on The Mikado as this Chrimbo's panto, our lionhearts' focus on footie was lost, as all their attentions turned to what costuming they'd need for such an intricate theatrical affair. That is what Blue Chrimbo means to our lads.
So when some well-overweight arrogant Dutch gaffer puts up some red Chrimbo deccies, you can bet he's lost his charges' hearts and minds, and had to go. And yes, it may sound petty of me, but I for one, cheered loudly when the bulk jandal shipment he'd ordered for his daughter's beach wedding, went astray in the post... and all the guests got burn't feet.
 

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