2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I already said it was a valiant effort. I simply said we got battered, which we did, and no praise should land on Benitez’s doorstep for that as if it was all intended. Unless he really is a master tactician to know Chelsea would fluff in front of goal.

I don't know, I think it's a slippery slope to exclude the manager from any praise and put it all on the players, plus vice versa

 

[Nymzee]

I don't know, I think it's a slippery slope to exclude the manager from any praise and put it all on the players, plus vice versa

A forced lineup, Pickford playing out of his skin, what did he do to help get us that point?

 

[nsno-chris]

I don't know, I think it's a slippery slope to exclude the manager from any praise and put it all on the players, plus vice versa

C’mon Mikey, on another day that could have ended 4/5-1. If Lukaku would have played it would have been game over.

The players played well, but there was still gaping holes that Chelsea played through. The position of the players when they’re defending still doesn’t look right to me. There not as compact as they should be.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I already said it was a valiant effort. I simply said we got battered, which we did, and no praise should land on Benitez’s doorstep for that as if it was all intended. Unless he really is a master tactician to know Chelsea would fluff in front of goal.

We should have been 3 down in the first 30 minutes.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

A forced lineup, Pickford playing out of his skin, what did he do to help get us that point?

They played their arses off

Does he not deserve some credit for motivating them?

If they played like they couldn't care then he certainly would be criticised so shouldn't the reverse be true as well?

 

[Nymzee]

They played their arses off

Does he not deserve some credit for motivating them?

If they played like they couldn't care then he certainly would be criticised so shouldn't the reverse be true as well?

Well they haven't done that all season so then we'd need to criticise him for not doing this every other game.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

They played their arses off

Does he not deserve some credit for motivating them?

If they played like they couldn't care then he certainly would be criticised so shouldn't the reverse be true as well?

The problem is though Mikey when we've been crap it's never down to Benitez in the eyes of his acolytes it's always down to the players being crap, not arsed etc.

 

[davek]

They played their arses off

Does he not deserve some credit for motivating them?

If they played like they couldn't care then he certainly would be criticised so shouldn't the reverse be true as well?

You know the answer to that.

 

[Toffeepot]

Because the club is run like a second hand shop off Wavertree Road in the mid 70's so yes it needs to be ripped down and re assess with a short, medium and long term plan adhered to, from culture, values recruitment to wages.

That doesn't answer the question though, which was 'Can someone explain to me how Benitez has earned the right to tear this club and structure apart?'

 

[Bigduke1234]

I don't know, I think it's a slippery slope to exclude the manager from any praise and put it all on the players, plus vice versa

Was it necessity or does he plan to integrate the young players? Next team sheet will be interesting

 

[Marius57]

They played their arses off

Does he not deserve some credit for motivating them?

If they played like they couldn't care then he certainly would be criticised so shouldn't the reverse be true as well?

Thing is, I gave him credit for them putting in effort. We still got battered and if not for pickford and some poor Chelsea finishing, we would have been 4/5 down in the first half. The same way we could have been against saints and Burnley etc.

The issue is, when we lose, his fans put it down to a mistake by Coleman, or Keane or Godfrey etc. Even benitez friends in the media are doing that. When we win, it's benitez tactics, and getting a reaction from them, not down to the players scoring a worldie out of nothing.

Like the Burnley game, all the credit went to benitez for his sub. Despite the fact we equalised before the sub from a set piece. And townsend scored a worldie.

It works both ways and the frustration comes from certain posters making out he is infallible.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

The problem is though Mikey when we've been crap it's never down to Benitez in the eyes of his acolytes it's always down to the players being crap, not arsed etc.

Well neither view is right IMO

This divisive battling between both sides isn't helping

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Was it necessity or does he plan to integrate the young players? Next team sheet will be interesting

Oh it was necessity I think, and if he drops the likes of Gordon and Dobbin in the next game then he's fully opened himself up to criticism unless he manages to win the game

That's totally fair

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Thing is, I gave him credit for them putting in effort. We still got battered and if not for pickford and some poor Chelsea finishing, we would have been 4/5 down in the first half. The same way we could have been against saints and Burnley etc.

The issue is, when we lose, his fans put it down to a mistake by Coleman, or Keane or Godfrey etc. Even benitez friends in the media are doing that. When we win, it's benitez tactics, and getting a reaction from them, not down to the players scoring a worldie out of nothing.

Like the Burnley game, all the credit went to benitez for his sub. Despite the fact we equalised before the sub from a set piece. And townsend scored a worldie.

It works both ways and the frustration comes from certain posters making out he is infallible.

And so long as both sides of the argument are trying to gouge the others' eyes out we'll keep going around in circles over and over again

 

[MikeH72]

Well neither view is right IMO

This divisive battling between both sides isn't helping

This is why he shouldn’t be our manager. There is no result he will ever get credit for, if we won the FA Cup he wouldn’t get any credit. Our fans just don’t like him and won’t have him. It’s best he’s gone sooner rather than later so we can move on from this never ending circle jerk.