2021/22 Rafael Benitez

[whiteshadow]

5 clubs actually spent less than us because they made a positive net spend. (I've argued that benitez spent 157m at newcastle and been hounded out by several posters because he had a positive net spend so that meant he didn't spend any money supposedly so surely the same applies here?)

5 clubs spent less means 14 must have spent more.

Like usual, you're just ignoring anything that you don't like while trying to misrepresent figures.

If your argument was that great in the first place you wouldn't need to.

You tried selling it as Benitez had a net spend of 157m when he didn't.

 

[sageyefc]

Let’s hope Kovac stays available for a few months yet

Sadly he won’t pass moshiris main criteria of having to have had prem experience so it’ll be the usual over the hill hoof merchants that we have to choose from

 

[davek]

Moshiri has backed us into a corner if he was to sack benitez after seemingly giving all the power where could we go if he was to get sacked no dof all benitez's staff gone scouting system ripped up medical staff gone .
It's s*it or bust

He's lumped in big time with Benitez. Which is why he'll likely lead us into a new stadium.

 

[cronullasharks]

And when Kovac has us midtable with this squad you'll be cry arsing for his sacking as you did Ancelotti, Silva et al lol lol

Be begging for mid table after much more of your dad managing the club

 

[Marius57]

5 clubs spent less means 14 must have spent more.

Like usual, you're just ignoring anything that you don't like while trying to misrepresent figures.

If your argument was that great in the first place you wouldn't need to.

You tried selling it as Benitez had a net spend of 157m when he didn't.

Like usual ?

I've never tried selling it as benitez had a net spend of 157m. I have always maintained he spent that much, regardless of where the money came from.

Yet I was told he was never backed with money so what can anyone expect of him. Well 5 teams haven't been backed by that same argument, yet 3 of them are ahead of us in the league now, despite us having been ahead of all of them last season.

The argument can't go both ways in favour of benitez.

 

[Rob17896]

But that respect surely has to include;
1) Not questioning what other Evertonians "deserve" on the basis that they ask a question you don't like
2) Not lying about other posters
3) Not falsifying information like Tottenham, Arsenal or Chelsea are bigger clubs than Everton.
4) Refusing to answer questions when challenged on above nonsense.

Nobody should be banned, and nobody should be called names for the above, but given your conduct I can understand why people would become frustrated with you. You can't do all of the above, and honestly expect people occasionally not to become frustrated- not everyone will be as patient as I am.

Point 3. It does not matter but is probably the case in the present time.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Be begging for mid table after much more of your dad managing the club

Maybe wait until 38 games have passed before making a judgement on the managers performance this season?

Would have served us better when people were creaming their kecks over "King Carlo" having us sat in the top 6 half way into the season to ultimately finish lower in the table than both Silva & Alladyce ?‍

 

[davek]

I don't really see that Dave. The Liverpool defeat was awful as well, they are not some great team, they are achingly average and we made them look brilliant. It's understandable people were frustrated by that derby performance, if we were going to lose we should have got some revenge for their dirty tactics over the years and put a couple of them out of action as a result.

Aside from that, he is here for now. Moshiri is very temperamental, and he now has sole control. If transfers dont improve it will all be on him.

Under Moshiri it's quite simple, if you look in danger of being in the relegation zone you get sacked, if not he tends to persist. There is no reason any manager should have a squad that nearly got top 4 last season near the relegation zone, so he should be fine, but we have to see.

The interesting point will be whether he relents to fan pressure, as he did with Allardyce that season. I couldn't stand Allardyce, as on a personal level I can't stand Benitez, but I'm not sure sacking Allardyce did much for us, so I will be consistent and say I won't be calling for him to be sacked if we are top half.

The sad part is, as a club, from the owner down to the board, we are essentially accepting of an approach which says as long as we stay up it's ok. That's the saddest part of all of this and far sadder than just having Benitez as manager.

That derby performance was affected by a feeling that people wanted the defeat to happen (or weren't arsed) because they wanted Benitez gone. That contributed along with the terrible injury list to that heavy defeat.

As for Moshiri relenting to fan pressure. I for one was shocked that this time around he stuck to his guns and backed Benitez when it was easier for him to bend to their calls for change again. I think he's reached a tipping point with the sackings and is determined to stick by a manager and see it through. That's what the evidence underlines so far with Benitez.

Anywhere near midtable each season and Benitez is staying put. That's the weight of the situation as I see it.

 

[cronullasharks]

Maybe wait until 38 games have passed before making a judgement on the managers performance this season?

Would have served us better when people were creaming their kecks over "King Carlo" having us sat in the top 6 half way into the season to ultimately finish lower than Silva & Alladyce ?‍

Mate your trousers are dripping with spunk over Benitez who has us in 15th place.

 

[roy vernon]

My reasons are based solely on his recent managerial capabilities, he is done as a football manager and even in his prime he wasn't that good. I don't want him near this club or spending a penny of our clubs money because he WILL be sacked soon not because he's an ex Liverpool manager but because he doesn't get results and he is guiding this club in the wrong direction.

His style of football is woeful
His recent record as a manager is woeful
His attitude is woeful
His substitutions or lack of them are woeful
He has shown absolutely nothing since being here

And that’s just his good points.??

 

[whiteshadow]

Like usual ?

I've never tried selling it as benitez had a net spend of 157m. I have always maintained he spent that much, regardless of where the money came from.

Yet I was told he was never backed with money so what can anyone expect of him. Well 5 teams haven't been backed by that same argument, yet 3 of them are ahead of us in the league now, despite us having been ahead of all of them last season.

The argument can't go both ways in favour of benitez.

If you have to generate the money you're spending you're not actually being 'backed' with money.

You're right the argument can't go both ways in favour of Benitiez. He needs to start getting results, especially now that he has most of his players back.

 

[roy vernon]

That's your right to back Benitez. Whats completely out of order if your you to start suggesting supporters don't deserve manager. Who on earth do you think you are to start dictating whether I do or don't deserve a manager? Have you ever clocked 20,000 miles a year watching the team home and away?

You've followed up a ridiculous post with another lie as well. I have called out people calling the manager names and said it is the wrong way to address the situation. It would be appreciated if you could answer the questions, and retract the lies you have said.

In fairness I agree with him, we don’t deserve this manager. I’m racking my brain to think what we could possibly have done to deserve him.

 

[Ring master]

I love whoever does writing at the bottom of the Live P/C for The Boss lol, half of it never matches what he says

 

[Toffeelover]

That derby performance was affected by a feeling that people wanted the defeat to happen (or weren't arsed) because they wanted Benitez gone. That contributed along with the terrible injury list to that heavy defeat.

As for Moshiri relenting to fan pressure. I for one was shocked that this time around he stuck to his guns and backed Benitez when it was easier for him to bend to their calls for change again. I think he's reached a tipping point with the sackings and is determined to stick by a manager and see it through. That's what the evidence underlines so far with Benitez.

Anywhere near midtable each season and Benitez is staying put. That's the weight of the situation as I see it.

Each season?? How many will that be Dave? Do we never get to climb the table and get into Europe?

 

[Bkk Andy]

Point 3. It does not matter but is probably the case in the present time.

Only a fool or a liar would claim that we're a bigger club than Arsenal. I can't think of a single argument, even a tenuous one, that could be made for us being a bigger club. They have more trophies, a better stadium and a better current team.