ramadan

[Muggins]

We sooooo mad at youz 4 killin r peepz and we h8 ur evil way of lyf bt we'll put up wit it coz it we'll nicer ova here nd u giv uz housz n stuf cuz mohamad sed dat dis wuz ok.

Islam summed up by EFCNIK.

Sound for that.

Now what's the longest you've ever gone without food mate??

 

[steken1]

Norway??

You honestly think other nations like France, Germany, USA and the like would allow Britain a neutral position across the world without exploiting us, or worse?

 

[EFCNIK]

Sound for that.

Now what's the longest you've ever gone without food mate??

A few hours because I don't practice a religion that is inherrently extreme mate.

And I'm a rich westerner. Allah akbar!

 

[Muggins]

You honestly think other nations like France, Germany, USA and the like would allow Britain a neutral position across the world without exploiting us, or worse?

Finland then?

I dunno mate, it's a kind of how do you fix the world question, and we'll never really know coz things won't really change.

But I didn't say anything about France, Germany, or the USA exploiting the UK, I just wrote Norway. Coz I don't think the world dislikes Norway.

What do you reckon? The UK is prime spot if you were to talk in Geographical terms, that's for sure.

 

[Muggins]

A few hours because I don't practice a religion that is inherrently extreme mate.

And I'm a rich westerner. Allah akbar!

Are you religious at all mate? Just curious.

 

[steken1]

Finland then?

I dunno mate, it's a kind of how do you fix the world question, and we'll never really know coz things won't really change.

But I didn't say anything about France, Germany, or the USA exploiting the UK, I just wrote Norway. Coz I don't think the world dislikes Norway.

What do you reckon? The UK is prime spot if you were to talk in Geographical terms, that's for sure.

It's tough. I honestly think we'd be in a similar situation to the balkan states. I certainly don't think we'd enjoy the type of freedoms and lifestyle we have now. Especially with a country thats unable to support a population this size. Energy needs alone would see to that.

 

[EFCNIK]

Are you religious at all mate? Just curious.

Not particulally man. I'm terrified of nothing happening after life so I've been working on deluding myself into believing there is.

Fully support religion however silly I think it is because I believe it gives people a lot of comfort and as long as its primary ideology fits in with that of the core values of the society it inhabits.

It is my belief that Islam in its current form doesn't work with western society. I'm not a bigot or a racist for thinking it.

 

[DrEFC]

I won't resort to name calling, on this instance because the whole fora can see you for what you are. Stating you are not racist or a bigot doesn't make it so.

 

[Blue 1]

I doubt he's remotely arsed but I'd just like to make it clear to Nik that I haven't called him a Nazi, neither do I think he is a racist. I just think that some of the rhetoric he uses is very dangerous because similar rhetoric about Jews being seen as normal in 1930's Germany is what led to the Nazis being able to do what they did.

 

[Muggins]

I won't resort to name calling, on this instance because the whole fora can see you for what you are. Stating you are not racist or a bigot doesn't make it so.

Crap post mate.

 

[bluemangroup]

Crap post mate.

Nowhere near the worst in this thread though.

 

[Muggins]

I doubt he's remotely arsed but I'd just like to make it clear to Nik that I haven't called him a Nazi, neither do I think he is a racist. I just think that some of the rhetoric he uses is very dangerous because similar rhetoric about Jews being seen as normal in 1930's Germany is what led to the Nazis being able to do what they did.

Okay mate. That's why I'm trying to make this a better general discussion. it's how people respond to things that sits well with me personally.

I think we should all talk nice.

 

[hullefc]

You honestly think other nations like France, Germany, USA and the like would allow Britain a neutral position across the world without exploiting us, or worse?

There are major trade war tensions between nations. The US government led the campaign against British interests citing BP, RBS and the Libor scandal for particular media attention. The result has been that the City of London has lost business to Wall Street and has dropped from being the top dog for finance to being 3rd. behind Wall Street and Singapore.

Part of the spying sandal has been the US spying on German companies to gain information on trade secrets, trading contacts and costs and financial arrangements. It is trade war tensions that lead to shooting wars as happened before the First and Second world wars. And before the world wars there was the blame game of blaming particular groups/peoples for the 'problems'. Jews, trade unions, communism, socialism, nationalism have all been the scapegoat to gear people up for inter communal strife and shooting war.

In the 1970s it was the NF that blamed immigrants for the problems in Britain, now it is Islam and Muslims, who are being portrayed as the 'evil within'. People claiming benefits are also the target for the 'evil within'.

 

[Muggins]

Nowhere near the worst in this thread though.

Didn't get us anywhere though did it mate?

 

[EvertruvianMan]

You're clearly not soft so I ask this out of genuine interest.

If out government didn't operate in the world as we know it and applied genuine ethics in all our dealings with other nations, arms deals etc, etc what type of country do you think we'd live in and be a part of today?

That is a very expansive question that throws up a lot of branches to cover. If Britain wasnt involved like it is with the arms trade it wouldnt be a G8 country. The money made from the sale of arms in some part is pumped back into the machine that manufactures them - that does have some positive spill over - specifically advances in technology which have seen break throughs in science and medicine (that these break throughs then get patented and sold to the same places Britain is arming to keep oppressed is a rebound benefit). So if it werent Britain involved with dealing and manufacturing arms then another state would and reap the benefits primary secondary and tertiary. Jobs, money and influence - it is the way of the world and why "Give peace a chance" isnt worth a jot.
Imagine you are on the receiving end of it though, I'm not talking about being prompted by the Daily Mail but actually sat as an orphan in some village with no food or water and no access to medicine or education. The current caste system dictates that someone somewhere has to be on the lowest rung.
Did you watch 'comic relief' did you put your hand in your pocket to make a donation? Imagine how horrified and disgusted the people that gave for the original 'Live aid' were to discover that not only was the sum raised less than a hundredth of the loan repayments certain African states were repaying year on year but that some of the sum raised ended up directly and indirectly in the hands of the guerilla oppressors on the ground in the countries that the British charity/s were asking for help for.
I cant give a breakdown of how much the arms industry and its paralell businesses make for Britain and then what percentage goes into the economy for health and schools and services etc but I firmly believe without that place at the top table of selling death to countries far away the standard of living in Britain would be exponentially worse.

Why we'll never get genuine facts about arms -> http://www.guardian.co.uk/baefiles/page/0,,2095831,00.html
IIRC a corruption investigation was halted when orders came from the ruling elite that it had to stop pursuing them or the rest of the deal was off.