Relegation 2022/23

[SussexToffee1980]

In 2013-14 Palace finished 11th and only scored 33 goals.

That was the lowest tally for anyone staying up that season and Norwich who went down only scored 28.

This was a rarity and anyone on 30-35 goals will most definitely go down.

 

[davek]

I must admit I have loved your recent journey of Optimism, but it looks like that train ride might be finally arriving at the last station now.

I want to be positive, I really do. But this club needs us again to pull them over the line, If there Is any chance of that happening.
Too many people have been turning a blind eye on our fate this season and using 'Mathematic' possibilities of why we shouldn't be worried.

The only thing worse then just having to deal with a bad performance is when you also have to hope and rely on a a handful of other bad performances.

No one I recall has ever said we should'nt be worried. Rightly, many of us stated that our fate was well in our own hands and a consistent set of results would get us home and safe. Well that consistency just took a battering and that's not the case anymore.

The way I see this now is that only those three behind us continuing to be hopelss will give us a chance to clear our heads and put points-winning performances together that could just about save us.

If either Forest or Leicester stir in the next two games or so we are knackered.

It's not hard to see what happened here: our settled line up went out the window and some of our best performers under Dyche weren't available and that was enough to go on a run of games with hardly any return. If we get that settled team back again then maybe we can steady the ship and get out of this...but that's a lot of ifs and maybes.

 

[Street end man]

There’s every chance we survive…
Thats not to say we can’t go down of course, but put yourself in the shoes of the other teams… they will be thinking the same as us…

The only way we can possibly survive is to get that first choice 11 back together that Dyche left unchanged for 5 games. I truly think we're down if we don't, the proof was on show yesterday. When Doucoure saw red I forecast this.
The board, DOF and all with any power at goodison took a massive gamble this season, almost as if they thought "we've been here for 70 years, it'll never happen to us" They sent the team in to the campaign with no recognised striker fit and had a chance to correct this blunder in January. Dyche now really does have to work a miracle to pull this one off.

 

[samcdavies94]

One of the (many) problems is the lack of quality outside the first eleven (who aren't that great to begin with). With Doucoure and Oanana unavailable we had a very poor midfield/no quality to fill the gap. Away to Man U it probably made little difference, but the games where points were more 'easily' available (Fulham and Palace) then became much harder.
With regard to relegation; Emotionally, i want us to stay up. Logically/rationally, i can't see much improvent being made to the squad with the pressure of another relegation fight next season. I think that it may be good for us in the long term to go down and give some youngsters a chance/revamp the whole squad. Of couse we might plummet through the leagues and end up in Division 2. Is playing (and winning as many as we lose) in Division 2 better than scraping 6 or 7 wins year after year in the Premier League?

Agree with this entirely. Obviously from a business perspective, going down is horrific to even contemplate. I'm not sure the club can sustain it.

But, from a team perspective, we need to rip it all out and go again.

Thinking about it, for my own enthusiasm, a season of Everton playing in the Championship would freshen things up a bit. We've competed once in this league in the last ten years - the rest of the time we've fallen below expectations. It's stale, and other than loyalty & the fact we've only got a few years left of Goodison, I'm not really sure what keeps me renewing my season ticket.

 

[steven]

One of the (many) problems is the lack of quality outside the first eleven (who aren't that great to begin with). With Doucoure and Oanana unavailable we had a very poor midfield/no quality to fill the gap. Away to Man U it probably made little difference, but the games where points were more 'easily' available (Fulham and Palace) then became much harder.
With regard to relegation; Emotionally, i want us to stay up. Logically/rationally, i can't see much improvent being made to the squad with the pressure of another relegation fight next season. I think that it may be good for us in the long term to go down and give some youngsters a chance/revamp the whole squad. Of couse we might plummet through the leagues and end up in Division 2. Is playing (and winning as many as we lose) in Division 2 better than scraping 6 or 7 wins year after year in the Premier League?

I get where you are coming from with the squad but It will never be good for us to go down.

With the recent accounts and the ambiguous nature of ‘can’t guarantee the club would survive etc’ it would be an utter disaster to get relegated that could have a catastrophic effect on us.

 

[blueblueday]

Agree with this entirely. Obviously from a business perspective, going down is horrific to even contemplate. I'm not sure the club can sustain it.

But, from a team perspective, we need to rip it all out and go again.

Thinking about it, for my own enthusiasm, a season of Everton playing in the Championship would freshen things up a bit. We've competed once in this league in the last ten years - the rest of the time we've fallen below expectations. It's stale, and other than loyalty & the fact we've only got a few years left of Goodison, I'm not really sure what keeps me renewing my season ticket.

I can see your logic but it's a tremendous risk. It's almost as if you believe we can simply pop back up again with a few youngsters steering the revitalised ship. Can't you see we will be scalps for every team wanting to make a headline? Do you really think any of our players have the backbone for that? I believe we should be trying to avoid the drop at all costs.

 

[friendlyleeds]

Ha.

Skin of your teeth maybe...but you'll beat the RS Monday. Defo get a result against Leicester too.

6 points gives you 35. You'll be fine.

RS will revert back into being excellent and obliterate us then we will gift Leicester 3 points, it’s what we do, unfortunately.

 

[Brennan]

In 2013-14 Palace finished 11th and only scored 33 goals.

That was the lowest tally for anyone staying up that season and Norwich who went down only scored 28.

This was a rarity and anyone on 30-35 goals will most definitely go down.

Really not the case.

21-22 Wolves finished 10th on 38 goals.

20-21 Burnley stayed up on 33 goals. Same season Wolves finished 13th with 36 goals.

19-20 Brighton 15th 39 goals, Palace 14th 31 goals, Sheff United 9th 39 goals. West Ham scored 49 and finished 16th.

18-19 Brighton stayed up with 35 goals

17-18 Huddersfield stayed up on 28 goals, Brighton on 34

 

[Street end man]

I get where you are coming from with the squad but It will never be good for us to go down.

With the recent accounts and the ambiguous nature of ‘can’t guarantee the club would survive etc’ it would be an utter disaster to get relegated that could have a catastrophic effect on us.

It'd be bad enough going down if we weren't knee deep in BMD. A drop to the championship now and I can't honestly imagine what the repercussions will be. A lot of investment in that ground by people who are not Evertonians, they'll want their payback sharpish.

 

[Andy is the King]

I feel like a schizoid supporter

One part of me is crushed by the thought of relegation. The last thing I want is to see is Everton go down.

Yet there is another part that doesn't seem to care. Just get it over & done with. I think I am worn out. That win against Palace now seems like a cruel tease. Years & years & years of mediocrity. I feel like the club is sucking the life out of me.

 

[davek]

Anyone thinking that relegation has ANYTHING to recommend itself to us are off the charts mad.

There will be no rebirth or baptism of fire.

This club is a financial basket case and there'll be no fantastic recruitment policy getting us back into the PL within a couple of seasons. We would more likely become a bottom half of the Championship club for many years.

We are stiring into the abyss now. Not just football wise either. If Everton are relegated this will be a social catastrophe and an economic catastrophe too.

Survival is the only option we have if all that is to be avoided.

 

[efcforever]

Yeah I agree away from home against a team with more quality. I don’t fancy our chances but you never no in football.

Neither do I. I think it's finally our time to go. We've never recovered from that awful summer window under Koeman.

 

[Moderatelywarmwater]

The only way we can possibly survive is to get that first choice 11 back together that Dyche left unchanged for 5 games. I truly think we're down if we don't, the proof was on show yesterday. When Doucoure saw red I forecast this.
The board, DOF and all with any power at goodison took a massive gamble this season, almost as if they thought "we've been here for 70 years, it'll never happen to us" They sent the team in to the campaign with no recognised striker fit and had a chance to correct this blunder in January. Dyche now really does have to work a miracle to pull this one off.

Agree with nearly all of that…

And if we have our first 11 out we will have a good chance

 

[Moderatelywarmwater]

RS will revert back into being excellent and obliterate us then we will gift Leicester 3 points, it’s what we do, unfortunately.

As I’ve said before, they’ve not scored a single goal from open play august a bottom 10 side away from home all season…. So I think if you play like the first half against Palace, you’ve got a good chance.

 

[Street end man]

Anyone thinking that relegation has ANYTHING to recommend itself to us are off the charts mad.

There will be no rebirth or baptism of fire.

This club is a financial basket case and there'll be no fantastic recruitment policy getting us back into the PL within a couple of seasons. We would more likely become a bottom half of the Championship club for many years.

We are stiring into the abyss now. Not just football wise either. If Everton are relegated this will be a social catastrophe and an economic catastrophe too.

Survival is the only option we have if all that is to be avoided.

Sadly Dave that's spot on, football is big money business now and our owners (whoever they really are) will want some payback very soon. No way we go down and magically inherit BMD as our "own" ground. Nightmare scenario.