GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
Stick to in relation to the result today, there isn't a need to be pedantic.
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Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
8th downwards. I maintain that we should be in the top 7 as outside of the 6 moneyed teams I cannot see why teams like Southampton Leicester Stoke or West Ham should be outperforming us especially as some of those sides only came up in recent seasons. How can it be ok for fans to justify a team that started with a top 6 squad, has had two seasons of a manager, has some of the brightest prospects in the league, finishing behind teams that have literally just thrown together players and managers for better results?
I can swallow fans writing off our chances of finishing ahead of Spurs or Liverpool but when people start saying that the likes of West Ham or Southampton are better than us I don't think that should be accepted by Everton fans. If they truly are ahead of us than we have gone massively backwards.
Greek Fisherman
Player Valuation: £8m
For me of the biggest differences between 13/14 and 14/15 was Deulofeu.
He is showing that again now. If he wasn't in our team we'd be struggling massively, which would have Martinez clinging on to his job.
He is showing that again now. If he wasn't in our team we'd be struggling massively, which would have Martinez clinging on to his job.
I would agree that it's 8th for me too. That said, we are right there and I expect us to push on and be right there at Christmas
You make it seem like we are miles and miles away atm. We are right in the middle of it after a tough stretch and a load of injuries.
We gained more points from our first 10 than we usually do, so I'm not concerned at all. We get on a roll and we'll be pushing for top 4/5.
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
why don't you wait until the end of the season before having a hissy fit? we're 9th after getting all the hard fixtures out of the way whilst all you ,mentioned have had an easier ride. just calm down!
lol lol lol
It is half pigging five in the morning, I have a chest infection and my throat is raw with coughing.....and I am in agony laughing at that post......
Probably the worst element of the last ten years has been the massive self entitlement developing in the fanbase. I've had lids in their teens on here call me a bad blue for not insisting we win the league every year despite me remembering winning our last league titles. That has combined with a generation of absolute knuckles who have grew up playing computer management games and thinking their revolutionary formation is the very thing the team is lacking.
We shouldn't stop striving to be as ace as Everton should be, and chide those who employed by the club who don't burst a gut trying to elevate us to a position that allows us to win stuff.
There is however a big amount of clubs who can claim that and themselves think their club are more special than the rest. It's largely dictated by money now and we don't have that, and haven't for a while.
Hopefully it will change but in the absence of a splurging a GDP of an African country on players, our only chance is slow but stable organic growth. It's an almost impossible job with the the constant flux of Premier League football but we have a manager with his faults but who is trying to do it organically, with a young talented squad he's piecing together.
Truth he is probably wont succeed as the odds are against him due to the game being how it is. But if you can't see what he's trying to do and the small steps were making then I find it puzzling. It's hugely improbable that someone could replace him and engineer sustainable success in a better manner.
Still, it's better to play the polarisarion game. It's the Internet after all.
We shouldn't stop striving to be as ace as Everton should be, and chide those who employed by the club who don't burst a gut trying to elevate us to a position that allows us to win stuff.
There is however a big amount of clubs who can claim that and themselves think their club are more special than the rest. It's largely dictated by money now and we don't have that, and haven't for a while.
Hopefully it will change but in the absence of a splurging a GDP of an African country on players, our only chance is slow but stable organic growth. It's an almost impossible job with the the constant flux of Premier League football but we have a manager with his faults but who is trying to do it organically, with a young talented squad he's piecing together.
Truth he is probably wont succeed as the odds are against him due to the game being how it is. But if you can't see what he's trying to do and the small steps were making then I find it puzzling. It's hugely improbable that someone could replace him and engineer sustainable success in a better manner.
Still, it's better to play the polarisarion game. It's the Internet after all.
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
short term thinking is why some people can't see it tbh. If they actually took time out, stood back and realised just how young our squad was they'd realise how talented it really is. And not just the first team either. The thing is, even on FIFA and FM you have to be patient to see players fully develop, then again, you can go through a season in a couple of hours, so it doesn't take that long at all.
Honestly, the mass amount of swansea fans i see moaning on social media about how gary monk should be sacked, how it's their worst team in 5 years etc. is utterly abysmal. especially considering where they've come from in such little time etc - but the modern fan doesn't have time for that!
Kiwi
Say NO to Ginger Managers
Anyone been watching Chelsea this season?
There is better evidence than you'll ever see that good teams, players and managers can have it all go to pot for them big time.
Martinez might not get it right all the time, but he is in my eyes a good manager, one with a pedigree of growing success and overachieving.
He's won something which is nice too.
On the basis of his time here he's had one good season, one season where everything that could go wrong went wrong, and half a season which has looked more like the first season than the last.
He's also been canny in the market and grown a vibrant young squad which feels like it's on the verge of success.
He has my backing
There is better evidence than you'll ever see that good teams, players and managers can have it all go to pot for them big time.
Martinez might not get it right all the time, but he is in my eyes a good manager, one with a pedigree of growing success and overachieving.
He's won something which is nice too.
On the basis of his time here he's had one good season, one season where everything that could go wrong went wrong, and half a season which has looked more like the first season than the last.
He's also been canny in the market and grown a vibrant young squad which feels like it's on the verge of success.
He has my backing
USABlue
Player Valuation: £70m
No patience in the game anymore. Martinez is the 3rd longest serving manager in the Prem and it's only his 3rd season ffs. People expect us to go from 7-8th place finishes to CL and challenging for the title in two years. Sadly it doesn't work that way unless you spunk 150m plus on players. Like you said we can't compete financially so all we have is a slow patient build with young players
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
unless you're liverpool.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Close thread as this pretty much nailed it
mythbuster
Player Valuation: £35m
Just out of interest mate; who currently is taking the defensive sessions down at FF, and what do you think they are doing wrong?
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