Roberto Martinez discussion

TrixyStevens · December 31, 2015

Results have been atrocious over the last 18 months. Worrying pattern of underperformance. 7 wins from 19 home games last season, 3 wins from 10 at home this season and 6 wins from 19 in all this season. Not good enough.

ToffeeTim · December 31, 2015

After much soul searching and deliberation, I've decided I'd like us to win every game for the next 2579 years. After that I'm not too fussed tho.

Saint Domingo · December 31, 2015

Dithering Dougie said:
Was Stoke a good or bad game for Martinez to start with Barry and Cleverley gaffer?

Well if you watched carefully he actually benched the previously impressive Cleverley for a half fit McCarthy. Apparently it was to rest 25 year old Cleverley who had played twice in 3 days to add to his other half a dozen appearances this season. 35 year old ever present Gareth Barry though obviously didn't need a rest despite playing every league game and 3 in one week.

So predictably McCarthy who looked a mile off the pace broke down early on and who should come off the bench? Obviously not Cleverley because he was being reste....oh no wait it was him, who promptly came on then got injured. Besic, Gibson and Osman watched on in amusement as 2 half fit players trudged about a bit in a premier league match with points at stake before going off using up 2 subs to then be replaced by....a striker.

I'm past even bothering trying to look at the problems in midfield, the problems are everywhere in the team except the centre forward position. The selections and subs on Monday though were a farce.

Khalekan · December 31, 2015

ianefc said:
I reckon I'd be pretty good at this game. Big font and Stats, that's pyar sex.

lol

Now, to put this defeat business in perspective, Ian.

I have just checked the league table.

Manchester City have lost five games.......the same amount as us

Manchester United, spenders of over a quarter of a billion pounds in the past eighteen months or so, have lost five games.....the same amount as us

The RS have lost six games.......that is one more than us :celebrate:

I forgot to look at Chelsea.......God knows how many they have lost

Even Arsenal at the top of the table have lost four games......just one fewer than us :hayee:

Now don't get me wrong......we could be doing better.

Our problem isn't so much that we are losing too many games.....we are drawing too many.

So you know what....things ain't so bad.

They are just more wrong than right at the moment.

A tweak here and a twook there and before you know it we will be racing up that table and Wembley bound to boot :dance:

COYB

ianefc · December 31, 2015

Saint Domingo said:
Well if you watched carefully he actually benched the previously impressive Cleverley for a half fit McCarthy. Apparently it was to rest 25 year old Cleverley who had played twice in 3 days to add to his other half a dozen appearances this season. 35 year old ever present Gareth Barry though obviously didn't need a rest despite playing every league game and 3 in one week.

So predictably McCarthy who looked a mile off the pace broke down early on and who should come off the bench? Obviously not Cleverley because he was being reste....oh no wait it was him, who promptly came on then got injured. Besic, Gibson and Osman watched on in amusement as 2 half fit players trudged about a bit in a premier league match with points at stake before going off using up 2 subs to then be replaced by....a striker.

I'm past even bothering trying to look at the problems in midfield, the problems are everywhere in the team except the centre forward position. The selections and subs on Monday though were a farce.

Not sure who you're replying to here but I have to say, you're really quite good at this. Another post which I agree with 100%

#imakissass

Dithering Dougie · December 31, 2015

Saint Domingo said:
Well if you watched carefully he actually benched the previously impressive Cleverley for a half fit McCarthy. Apparently it was to rest 25 year old Cleverley who had played twice in 3 days to add to his other half a dozen appearances this season. 35 year old ever present Gareth Barry though obviously didn't need a rest despite playing every league game and 3 in one week.

So predictably McCarthy who looked a mile off the pace broke down early on and who should come off the bench? Obviously not Cleverley because he was being reste....oh no wait it was him, who promptly came on then got injured. Besic, Gibson and Osman watched on in amusement as 2 half fit players trudged about a bit in a premier league match with points at stake before going off using up 2 subs to then be replaced by....a striker.

I'm past even bothering trying to look at the problems in midfield, the problems are everywhere in the team except the centre forward position. The selections and subs on Monday though were a farce.

So you're not happy that he didn't start Cleverley in case he got injured and then brought him on after an enforced sub and he did actually get injured?

You'd be a nightmare to buy Christmas presents for gaffer!

chicoazul · December 31, 2015

orly said:
We just lost on Monday

And I came on Lolling and chatting wham and my alert notification had steam coming off it.

orly · December 31, 2015

chicoazul said:
And I came on Lolling and chatting wham and my alert notification had steam coming off it.

You laughed at an Everton defeat?!?!?!

@hullefc
@hullefc
@hullefc

IT'S CAPTAIN HOOK arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh

Saint Domingo · December 31, 2015

ianefc said:
Not sure who you're replying to here but I have to say, you're really quite good at this. Another post which I agree with 100%

#imakissass

You must have met @Dithering Dougie by now? He likes to come in and try and score a few cheap points after Davek has taken the heavy artillery. His ability to deride opinion without ever offering any of his own is quite impressive.

Dithering Dougie · December 31, 2015

Khalekan said:
lol

Now, to put this defeat business in perspective, Ian.

I have just checked the league table.

Manchester City have lost five games.......the same amount as us

Manchester United, spenders of over a quarter of a billion pounds in the past eighteen months or so, have lost five games.....the same amount as us

The RS have lost six games.......that is one more than us

I forgot to look at Chelsea.......God knows how many they have lost

Even Arsenal at the top of the table have lost four games......just one fewer than us

Now don't get me wrong......we could be doing better.

Our problem isn't so much that we are losing too many games.....we are drawing too many.

So you know what....things ain't so bad.

They are just more wrong than right at the moment.

A tweak here and a twook there and before you know it we will be racing up that table and Wembley bound to boot

COYB

He's going to need a standing count after that post Khal!

hullefc · December 31, 2015

ianefc said:
*sits back and wonders if I'm sharing the same planet as @hullefc

What the F (said doing an Alan Partridge impression) has that got to do with what I said?

When I post stats you hammer the opinion surrounding it when I ask a question you hammer me with stats.

WOW

you're not supposed to be pissed until this time tomorrow.

The opinion was hypocritical.

But what about the good defending away from home and the bad at home? Why are we defending better away from home than at home? Any ideas?

Much appreciated.

By the way can you only get bevvied on a Thursday as you seem to be implying?

ianefc · December 31, 2015

Khalekan said:
lol

Now, to put this defeat business in perspective, Ian.

I have just checked the league table.

Manchester City have lost five games.......the same amount as us

Manchester United, spenders of over a quarter of a billion pounds in the past eighteen months or so, have lost five games.....the same amount as us

The RS have lost six games.......that is one more than us

I forgot to look at Chelsea.......God knows how many they have lost

Even Arsenal at the top of the table have lost four games......just one fewer than us

Now don't get me wrong......we could be doing better.

Our problem isn't so much that we are losing too many games.....we are drawing too many.

So you know what....things ain't so bad.

They are just more wrong than right at the moment.

A tweak here and a twook there and before you know it we will be racing up that table and Wembley bound to boot

COYB

TBH honest my argument probably isn't with you, anyone who acknowledges that things could be better is making strides in the right direction, it's when people say this squad can't make top 6 and do the players down and do the fans down before taking a single shot at Martinez that gets me all fumey TBH.

Prevenger17 · December 31, 2015

Saint Domingo said:
You must have met @Dithering Dougie by now? He likes to come in and try and score a few cheap points after Davek has taken the heavy artillery. His ability to deride opinion without ever offering any of his own is quite impressive.

If you think Doug goes for easy points, you haven't read the Tim Howard thread.

ianefc · December 31, 2015

hullefc said:
The opinion was hypocritical.

But what about the good defending away from home and the bad at home? Why are we defending better away from home than at home? Any ideas? Much appreciated.

By the way can you only get bevvied on a Thursday as you seem to be implying?

I refuse to offer tactical opinions as Chico will get me.