Bang on, it's not the fault of just the defence or keeper, though he is terrible. We don't defend well as a team and that is down to the culture of the management. We are soft, with a focus on pretty attacking play with no backbone.
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Bang on, it's not the fault of just the defence or keeper, though he is terrible. We don't defend well as a team and that is down to the culture of the management. We are soft, with a focus on pretty attacking play with no backbone.
Ashtonian
Banned on request
After last nights game, when you step away from the whole result we went out due to poor defending rather that 'being robbed' as seems to be the official tag line.
The first goal we conceded was a shot outside the box deflected in again. Except why is there no-one rushing that area to prevent the ball breaking to a player in space? The defence is too deep in a seige mentality, so fernandhino/fabregas can have time to put a shot in, bad luck it deflects in but that shot shouldn't be allowed to begin with.
the second goal went out, great it went out, but what if it didn't? It was still a cross and a goal, no-one was picking up the rushing bruyne or (Aguero?) from the edge of the box because again our defence was too deep to react to any danger. Between mori / jags / whoever the third one was, none of them saw sterling running the by line and looked up to see who he was passing the ball to, or to fill the open space in the box. We weren't robbed, it was poor defending again and at that point we were still in the competition so moaning about that is pointless.
third goal, happy to concede it was a class goal from a world class striker. We can pick out stones not being a right back or analyse the footage but to be fair that was a quality header and it is what aguero is paid to do, score them important goals.
So on the whole, it was a poor defensive display from everton again, another reflection on our season to date and we have only ourselves to blame for going out.
The first goal we conceded was a shot outside the box deflected in again. Except why is there no-one rushing that area to prevent the ball breaking to a player in space? The defence is too deep in a seige mentality, so fernandhino/fabregas can have time to put a shot in, bad luck it deflects in but that shot shouldn't be allowed to begin with.
the second goal went out, great it went out, but what if it didn't? It was still a cross and a goal, no-one was picking up the rushing bruyne or (Aguero?) from the edge of the box because again our defence was too deep to react to any danger. Between mori / jags / whoever the third one was, none of them saw sterling running the by line and looked up to see who he was passing the ball to, or to fill the open space in the box. We weren't robbed, it was poor defending again and at that point we were still in the competition so moaning about that is pointless.
third goal, happy to concede it was a class goal from a world class striker. We can pick out stones not being a right back or analyse the footage but to be fair that was a quality header and it is what aguero is paid to do, score them important goals.
So on the whole, it was a poor defensive display from everton again, another reflection on our season to date and we have only ourselves to blame for going out.
Azza
Player Valuation: £80m
100% agree. It was Aguero with de Bryune.
Jags ran to the near post (why?!), Funes Mori was on the 6 yard line and so was Baines who was sort of marking Navas, Barry had Auguero and de Bryune walk in behind him while he stuck his hand in the air.
chazzle_dazzle
Player Valuation: £35m
Someone sent me a screenshot this morning of the second goal - at the time i was that fuming i didn't even get onto it. We had 5 players in the box.
A lot of the venting incorrectly will be at the linesman etc, but realistically any footballer should be told to play to the whistle, and at least do your job. Once again "clean sheets don't matter", and unfortunately we did have something to lose not matter what he said.
"no-one should feel disappointed". the mind absolutely blew up when he said that!
toffee matt
Player Valuation: £60m
We were 3-1 up on aggregate and still managed to loose in 90 minutes
But we shouldn't be disappointed??? What is he smoking
But we shouldn't be disappointed??? What is he smoking
RFUS
Anustart
My favourite summary of the situation right here.
TheHumbleEgg
Player Valuation: £15m
....I'm starting to think do we actually rate this side WAY higher than it deserves to be rated?
kenada_blue
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Again, we are the only side in the entire English league to be able to score 2 to 3 goals a game and still not win.
This goes for 2 legged ties such as this one.
Little Ralphy
Player Valuation: £15m
I agree with most of your post but the third goal, we should be stopping crosses in to the box. It's a weird thing at Everton that even Moyes let happen (I remember Joe Royle saying he Kendall and Harvey all picked out Psycho Pat as our best ever left back because he stopped crosses). Especially when you consider our defence are not very good in the air. Aguero is a quality striker no doubt, but he's also tiny. Stones not being a right back should have helped us more cos you'd have thought he'd come over and pick up the man better given where he was.
No pressure on the ball allows good players to pick out good balls, add that to the fact that no one tracks any runs then you're asking for trouble.
kenada_blue
Welcome to Barcelonaton FC
Both competitions...don't concede 2 and you're through or in a good position.
Conceded about 9 altogether.
It's laughable
smileychap
Player Valuation: £8m
The only really galling thing I'd alter in the last sentence above is "We've become soft...".
All of the areas flagged for improvement on this forum regarding Martinez are things that were already a strength when he joined. He did OK in the transfer market too, which gave him and the team a golden chance to move Everton forward. And so it proved in Season 1: Backbone (Moyes team) + football (Martinez team) = success, and v.unlucky that wasn't CL success.
However he hasn't understood (or if he has, certainly hasn't demonstrated) what goes into that backbone - and how to maintain that, as even I think even Martinez devotees would agree.
Cups / cup runs don't mask league slides: as Wigan, Southampton, Hull, Millwall, Birmingham and a bunch of other sides non Sky 4 sides who've made FA Cup and League Cup finals can attest.
So the question in this post is:
Is Martinez simply a board-level gamble to fluke a cup?
If no: is he still a serious decision for a club interested in league performance (happy to be convinced on this)?
If yes: why is that seen to be better strategy for overall success than being and established top 6 contender able to break the top 4 when the Man Utd's, Chelea's (and City, it will come) are napping? A la Spurs, Liverpool?
sheedys left foot
Player Valuation: £10m
Good piece from big nev regarding the Everton defence under Martinez system
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
This ^ all day long.
Barkley wandering around not closing or barely attempting to get a challenge in, does my nut in.
We sit off concede ground, don't put pressure on the ball, which allows the opposition time and space and then any form of decent ball cuts through us, it's absolute basics.
Compare the work rate of Leicester for example to our laid back "go 'ed then" approach.
Last night was a game were we needed to leave everything on the pitch, those players came off with plenty left in the tank. And that's down to his wretched philosophy.
By god I'm blue
Banned at own request
It's like a bad marriage now.
You can go into counselling, therapy...discuss your feelings, but the underlying feeling that won't go away is that it's not going to work and you should part ways and move on.
If he hadn't committed adultery (won 18 out of 61 since August 2014) then we would not be in this position!
You can go into counselling, therapy...discuss your feelings, but the underlying feeling that won't go away is that it's not going to work and you should part ways and move on.
If he hadn't committed adultery (won 18 out of 61 since August 2014) then we would not be in this position!
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