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Roberto Martinez discussion

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Martinez seems like a really nice guy. I'm only basing that on his public persona of course but there's a lot of positive reports that I am happy to believe it

Managerial wise, still too soon to say. There are things I like and things I don't

Moyes left the club stronger than when he arrived but his conduct with trying to sign Baines really irked me, to the point that am willing to disregard all the good he did and just hate him. Yeah he righted the ship, but he also tried to scuttle it on the way out and I just can't accept that

If he'd gone, signed Fellaini and left it at that, I'd probably not have such a bad taste in my mouth
 
Ihaters said:
Its been months since he left and you're still devoting your time each day to finding things to slate him with... what else would you call it?
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Why do you even care?

You always come across as more of a Moyes fan than an Everton fan.

Move on with your life.

Oh....and Dave is spot on.

Your name is based on being a "hater" so it looks blooming sily when you continually bitch about people "hating" the personna of your idol.
 
davek said:
The Martinez/Moyes stuff is separate though, there's no inverse relationship between backing one and debunking the other.

Martinez looks a decent bet for us at the stage we'd reached: we needed a change of style and direction. He's started well, but I'd wait and see how he gets on for a season before making even a provisional conclusion about how well he'll do. Moyes on the other hand: the jury's in. It has less to do with what he did and didn't do as manager of the team, and more how he positioned himself over and above the club whilst he was here, and then went on the rampage heaping insult upon insult in the summer. I cant see how that's so hard to comprehend for the likes of Timak and Ihaters etc.
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Lol. No. No it hasn't.

Its not about the summer, or how he's postioned himself over our club prior to that. Just so you yourself can attempt to comprehend... ITS LITERALLY EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE.
I can think of no aspect of Moyes time here that hasn't been slated. His character, his use of stats, his transfers, his league finishes, his ability to bond the team, even people saying he didn't progress us, doing TV punditry, literally everything.

Your small segment of his character assination you mention is but a fraction of what he's being slated for, please stop trying to belittle peoples arguments and actually come up with a response of substance.. something better than my username, or your lame attempt to pretend the Moyes bashing is actually quite a limited thing. It isn't. Here's a challenge. Find me something other than his name.. don't think that's been done... that he hasn't been slated for.
 
Khalekan said:
Why do you even care?

You always come across as more of a Moyes fan than an Everton fan.

Move on with your life.

Oh....and Dave is spot on.

Your name is based on being a "hater" so it looks blooming sily when you continually bitch about people "hating" the personna of your idol.
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Indeed my entire point is irrelevent because of my username. Your arguments certainly maintain a consistent level of quality. And good to see your straight in there with the... your not an Everton fan.. well done you... Have a gold star.

If your idea of being a fan is someone that tries to degrade Everton's history by trying to rewrite a decades progress, just because you didn't like the previous manager then I am happy that you don't see me as one.

As it is I know my heart and its as blue as anyone elses here, not the first time you've questioned my alegience either, in fact that seems quite a flipant thing to you, it really shouldn't be.
 
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Ihaters said:
Lol. No. No it hasn't.

Its not about the summer, or how he's postioned himself over our club prior to that. Just so you yourself can attempt to comprehend... ITS LITERALLY EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE.
I can think of no aspect of Moyes time here that hasn't been slated. His character, his use of stats, his transfers, his league finishes, his ability to bond the team, even people saying he didn't progress us, doing TV punditry, literally everything.

Your small segment of his character assination you mention is but a fraction of what he's being slated for, please stop trying to belittle peoples arguments and actually come up with a response of substance.. something better than my username, or your lame attempt to pretend the Moyes bashing is actually quite a limited thing. It isn't. Here's a challenge. Find me something other than his name.. don't think that's been done... that he hasn't been slated for.
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Sorry mate, I can only explain my own axe to grind with Moyes, not interested in compiling lists about what he's guilty of and isn't guilty of. I've always said he did a very reasonable job on the playing side...not great, not successful, but reasonable. The feller was always out for himself though, and his actions since leaving have proven beyond doubt what an utter belter he is.
 

davek said:
Sorry mate, I can only explain my own axe to grind with Moyes, not interested in compiling lists about what he's guilty of and isn't guilty of. I've always said he did a very reasonable job on the playing side...not great, not successful, but reasonable. The feller was always out for himself though, and his actions since leaving have proven beyond doubt what an utter belter he is.
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Fair enough, but its not fair to claim I don't comprehend the argument when your only debating a small section of it, a section that I have previously agreed with much of as well.
 

Support for Moyes was never fulsome he had the gratitude of fans for his early years but this idea of revisionism is flawed the split over Moyes has been ongoing for years it's just that there are 3 camps the majority who really can't be arsed taking sides supporting EFC at an unquestioning level - "we win some, we lose some anyone in an EFC tie is just fine" - and the other 2 minority camps pro and against Moyes.

It is easy to lump the unquestioning with the pro Moyes group to produce a picture of mass support because in common they don't criticise but it's a false assertion. Moyes methods and persona were not universally appreciated and his antics during the last year with Utd has just triggered the ire of many of the unquestioning.

The same people remain divided on all Everton forums with the pro Moyes group claiming revisionism - sorry not so, many had his card marked a long time ago claiming much of the "miracle" stuff was pure myth.

Whether people like it or not opinion on Moyes ideas and "achievements" have been questioned for a long time - no revisionism there at all.
 
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Metaphorically speaking Moyes built Everton a strong home. And for that he merits plaudits. Unfortunately he has undone his legacy somewhat by now trying to dismantle it.
 
Artetafan said:
I'd be more into this moyes bashing if you bunch of bad hypocrites hadn't been rimming him at every opportunity 12 months ago, like.
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You can vault me from 3 years ago and you'll be seeing the same opinion I had of Moyes then as I do now. Glad others have woken up.
 
That's not to say I don't appreciate the work he did for us early on, he was a great manager for us in the first half of his time with us, the second half I just felt like he was holding us back, playing negative footy, "40 points", defeatist attitude in derbies etc. Banged on about it for years.

I'm sure Martinez is going to make mistakes and take a few hits along the way, but so far it looks promising. A lot like when Moyes first joined us.
 

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