Roberto Martinez discussion

[hktoffee]

He'll get his chance. We're only 9 games into the season.

I dont like him. Decent player every so often but a terrible team player. No corp spirit whatsoever. It's my hope he gets a run of games before Christmas and does well; then we get an offer in january and punt him and have it part fund an incoming playmaker.

I rather we play Kev and Del, some flair players who would attack rather than workhorse like Nais and Len. I don't understand the love of Nais from Bobby here. Yes he is hardworking and scoring odd goals but we just cannot rely on player like him to take us forward. Hope we will get a response from the team next week.

 

[vagant59]

When you lose a hero - parent, sibling, friend, colleague - usually all you can do is mourn.

When you are a paid member of Everton FC
and you lose a hero on the day you get to play one of our biggest rivals I think you get out there and play out of your skin.

The last thing HK would have wanted on the day he died would be a pathetic listless excuse for an Everton performance against, of all possible opponents, the mancs.

I posted elsewhere earlier that this has been one if the worst days for me as a Blue in 46 years. It feels as bad to me as the 0-5 derby in 82.

After what had happen'd earlier in the day that was the most gutless, inept performance I have ever seen by the players and manager. They looked like they had just got out of bed and could not be arsed. Martinez should of had them fired up and on the front foot from minute one. They should all hang their heads in shame for that performance for the late great H.K.

 

[chicoazul]

@chicoazul 73 from 129 including 37 from his first 48 meaning 36 from following 81. Much worse than Rodgers, included for perspective

Let's fire him and get one of them managers in that the utter mouth breathing creatures on here like.

For example a Portuguese one who wears an armband. Or Mark Hughes. Or Paul Lambert. What about Owen Coyle? Malky Mackay is would get us playing.

In fact let's just sack another manager and get the match thread in here to manage by polls. We can take all the decisions ourselves as we know much better than the imposters ruining our club.

Nil satis.

 

[Prevenger17]

Hopefully, if we get anything from this game, Martinez will realize that Naismith provides very little other than a sparse threat and a habit of breaking up our own attacks. Decent off the bench, but no starter. Crap day for other reasons, but if we get any sort of result against Arsenal it will be a decent if unspectacular sprongboard with a run of winnable games ahead.

 

[davek]

For all the supporters it's been a surreal experience waking up to that news then having to think about the game but I doubt the HK news had any impact on the players today,they probably never saw him play,or even saw a team he managed play.They play for who ever pays their wages and today was just another black armband.

I disagree. That news came down like a shroud on the whole of the organisation.

I think if we'd had enough time for the tragic news to sink it could have acted as a rallying cry and we'd have used it to salute him. But it didn't turn out that way. Not that three points means anything anyway in the context of his death.

 

[DanEFC92]

He's eye catching for a couple of games and gets a goal every now and again. His attitude stinks. He cant play in a Martinez team. I understand why RM re-signed him as the club needed to get a good deal on him.

Apart from two on-field instances (WBA pen, Swansea sending off), his attitude hasn't been that bad. In fact, it's often gotten us back into games, and in the last few years been one of the few players that have shown up in derbies. So the attitude thing is overplayed. We need a little bit of snide, anyway. He can play, he's often shown that he can. Just, bizarrely, won't get played by Martinez.

If that was the case why not sell him in that very same window? What a waste of wages it would have been if the plan all along was to not play him (away from the shop window, as well) and sell him in January

 

[Elong]

Rodgers had 300million, comparing to him is desperate.

 

[davek]

Apart from two on-field instances (WBA pen, Swansea sending off), his attitude hasn't been that bad. In fact, it's often gotten us back into games, and in the last few years been one of the few players that have shown up in derbies. So the attitude thing is overplayed. We need a little bit of snide, anyway. He can play, he's often shown that he can. Just, bizarrely, won't get played by Martinez. If that was the case why not sell him in that very same window? What a waste of wages it would have been if the plan all along was to not play him (away from the shop window, as well) and sell him in January

Was there really any firm interest for a decent fee?

 

[ianefc]

Let's fire him and get one of them managers in that the utter mouth breathing creatures on here like.

For example a Portuguese one who wears an armband. Or Mark Hughes. Or Paul Lambert. What about Owen Coyle? Malky Mackay is would get us playing.

In fact let's just sack another manager and get the match thread in here to manage by polls. We can take all the decisions ourselves as we know much better than the imposters ruining our club.

Nil satis.

You have just joined a long list of posters who have used a hypothetical worse case to prove their point, in much the same way some fans say 'yeah let's get rid of Kenwright so we can get the Venky's in'

 

[Prevenger17]

We don't need Mirallas, we need effing Kone on the pitch from the off.

 

[Elong]

You have just joined a long list of posters who have used a hypothetical worse case to prove their point, in much the same way some fans say 'yeah let's get rid of Kenwright so we can get the Venky's in'

You compared Martinez to Rodgers, let's not have a pot meet kettle debate regarding hypotheses here.

 

[chicoazul]

You have just joined a long list of posters who have used a hypothetical worse case to prove their point, in much the same way some fans say 'yeah let's get rid of Kenwright so we can get the Venky's in'

Would that not be like cutting off a large swathe of successful home games to damn Martinez and his record?

Oh.

 

[davids]

I disagree. That news came down like a shroud on the whole of the organisation.

I think if we'd had enough time for the tragic news to sink it could have acted as a rallying cry and we'd have used it to salute him. But it didn't turn out that way. Not that three points means anything anyway in the context of his death.

I'd honestly like to agree with you,but for me modern footballers have very little connection with the the history of the club they play for and the feelings of it's supporters.The might come up with a soundbite when they sign,but that's usually the extent of their interest.

 

[Prevenger17]

You have just joined a long list of posters who have used a hypothetical worse case to prove their point, in much the same way some fans say 'yeah let's get rid of Kenwright so we can get the Venky's in'

Please provide us with this long list tnx

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Nothing like a poor performance to stir the plotters into action is there.