Romelu Lukaku

[Tin-Tin]

Just seen his record for United is 42 goals in 88 appearances. If that’s him flopping then I’d be interested to see what he could do when actually playing well.

Because whilst some of our fans would happily see him stand there scratching his backside and picking his nose for 85 mins, as long as he scored, the real top teams want an actual footballer. Just look at the Utd forums, they say he's one of the worst footballers they have seen in a long time and its true.

There is a difference in being a a top class finisher and top class player. I dont understand how people struggle to separate them.

 

[The binman chronicles]

He had a good first season last year.

Name a player that flourished under Mourinho this season.

Exactly.

I don't think you are wrong, but he is what he is and what he has always been, a limited footballer who can score decent numbers that helps to make up for/mask the ability issues.

He would be great for us at this moment, but he's not what utd need and he wouldn't be what we require if we wanted to elevate ourselves into that group.

He yet may become that player, but how long have we been saying that?

 

[Baines' left foot]

Because whilst some of our fans would happily see him stand there scratching his backside and picking his nose for 85 mins, as long as he scored, the real top teams want an actual footballer. Just look at the Utd forums, they say he's one of the worst footballers they have seen in a long time and its true.

There is a difference in being a a top class finisher and top class player. I dont understand how people struggle to separate them.

I don't think you are wrong, but he is what he is and what he has always been, a limited footballer who can score decent numbers that helps to make up for/mask the ability issues.

He would be great for us at this moment, but he's not what utd need and he wouldn't be what we require if we wanted to elevate ourselves into that group.

He yet may become that player, but how long have we been saying that?

Michael Owen had a limited game outside of his goal scoring, as did Andy Cole. Gary Lineker too.

If you score enough goals it doesn’t matter so much, although I feel people exaggerate Rom’s flaws in his all round game for one reason or another.

It’s funny how the goalposts seem to keep changing. People were saying he can’t do it against the big teams, he’s just done it against one of the very best in the world whilst his team had a grand total of 28% possession. Now people are saying let’s see him do it in a final etc.

It’s sad and just reeks of people trying to maintain their internet persona of a football know all. People should just accept when they call it wrong.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Michael Owen had a limited game outside of his goal scoring, as did Andy Cole. Gary Lineker too.

If you score enough goals it doesn’t matter so much, although I feel people exaggerate Rom’s flaws in his all round game for one reason or another.

It’s funny how the goalposts seem to keep changing. People were saying he can’t do it against the big teams, he’s just done it against one of the very best in the world whilst his team had a grand total of 28% possession. Now people are saying let’s see him do it in a final etc.

It’s sad and just reeks of people trying to maintain their internet persona of a football know all. People should just accept when they call it wrong.

The game has moved on so much since then. Plus none of them 3 were technically worse than Rom.

Ive never wavered in my opinion of him if you want to trawl through my posts, even when he was here. Looking at him now, he's regressed.

As for the internet know it all persona, im assuming the likes of Giggs, Scholes and Ferdinand know more than us all and all 3 have called him out




Ferdinand “When the ball is developing more in central areas of the pitch he just stands and really he’s got to be moving even if he’s sometimes standing offside,”

The sign of a top player is if Lukaku become available this summer for a reasonable price, would he have Real, Barca, Bayern, City etc clamouring for him? Not a chance in hell.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Why are some of our fans obsessed with a Man Utd player who used to play for us ? And a Chelsea one for that matter ?

They don't play for us anymore. They wanted out. Time to move on.

As soon as these players leave Everton they are footnotes in our history. Sod them and support the ones who actually want to play for us.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Michael Owen had a limited game outside of his goal scoring, as did Andy Cole. Gary Lineker too.

If you score enough goals it doesn’t matter so much, although I feel people exaggerate Rom’s flaws in his all round game for one reason or another.

It’s funny how the goalposts seem to keep changing. People were saying he can’t do it against the big teams, he’s just done it against one of the very best in the world whilst his team had a grand total of 28% possession. Now people are saying let’s see him do it in a final etc.

It’s sad and just reeks of people trying to maintain their internet persona of a football know all. People should just accept when they call it wrong.

No goalposts are changing here mate. Felt the same when he played for us. Every dog has its day. The facts are he has played in a European championship quarter and a world cup quarter and semi final and scored no goals. Yet he is a one in 2 striker. If you want to laud him and think he is world class and deserving to be in any team, that is up to you.

 

[Walken]

No goalposts are changing here mate. Felt the same when he played for us. Every dog has its day. The facts are he has played in a European championship quarter and a world cup quarter and semi final and scored no goals. Yet he is a one in 2 striker. If you want to laud him and think he is world class and deserving to be in any team, that is up to you.

You have literally moved the goal posts in the post, in the world cup quarter final against Brazil his performance was lauded, now enough time has past and you can concentrate on the goal stats and pretend the performance never happened, a few posts back you say all he can do is score goals and we mustn't concentrate on his goal stats.

This is a textbook example of moving the goalposts to suit a failing argument

 

[ijjysmith]

The game has moved on so much since then. Plus none of them 3 were technically worse than Rom.

Ive never wavered in my opinion of him if you want to trawl through my posts, even when he was here. Looking at him now, he's regressed.

As for the internet know it all persona, im assuming the likes of Giggs, Scholes and Ferdinand know more than us all and all 3 have called him out




Ferdinand “When the ball is developing more in central areas of the pitch he just stands and really he’s got to be moving even if he’s sometimes standing offside,”

The sign of a top player is if Lukaku become available this summer for a reasonable price, would he have Real, Barca, Bayern, City etc clamouring for him? Not a chance in hell.

Ryan Giggs. The Wales manager.

Paul Scholes. The Oldham manager.

 

[The binman chronicles]

You have literally moved the goal posts in the post, in the world cup quarter final against Brazil his performance was lauded, now enough time has past and you can concentrate on the goal stats and pretend the performance never happened, a few posts back you say all he can do is score goals and we mustn't concentrate on his goal stats.

This is a textbook example of moving the goalposts to suit a failing argument

Lauded by who? I didn't think it was anything special so why exactly am I moving MY goalposts?

 

[Walken]

Lauded by who? I didn't think it was anything special so why exactly am I moving MY goalposts?

You claimed previously it's performances that count, the goal stats aren't the defining factor. Then later you claim the goal stats are the defining factor and ignore performances, you have moved the goalposts regardless how wrong you are about his performance against Brazil. These are the first three results I found when searching player ratings from that match

Brazil v Belgium player ratings

A masterclass in counter-attacking football saw Belgium book a place in only their second World Cup semi-final after an emphatic 2-1 victory over Brazil.

www.ftbl.com.au

Player ratings as Belgium dump Brazil out of World Cup

Roberto Martinez's tactical masterstroke paid off with Neymar frustrating throughout

www.mirror.co.uk

RATINGS: Every player marked out of 10 from Brazil vs Belgium

After gaining confidence from Fernandinho’s early own goal, Kevin De Bruyne and Romelu Lukaku in particular to the game by the scruff of the neck

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Prevenger17]

Michael Owen had a limited game outside of his goal scoring, as did Andy Cole. Gary Lineker too.

If you score enough goals it doesn’t matter so much, although I feel people exaggerate Rom’s flaws in his all round game for one reason or another.

It’s funny how the goalposts seem to keep changing. People were saying he can’t do it against the big teams, he’s just done it against one of the very best in the world whilst his team had a grand total of 28% possession. Now people are saying let’s see him do it in a final etc.

It’s sad and just reeks of people trying to maintain their internet persona of a football know all. People should just accept when they call it wrong.

He's garbo. Two flukes against PSG doesn't change that pal

 

[The binman chronicles]

You claimed previously it's performances that count, the goal stats aren't the defining factor. Then later you claim the goal stats are the defining factor and ignore performances, you have moved the goalposts regardless how wrong you are about his performance against Brazil. These are the first three results I found when searching player ratings from that match

Brazil v Belgium player ratings

A masterclass in counter-attacking football saw Belgium book a place in only their second World Cup semi-final after an emphatic 2-1 victory over Brazil.

www.ftbl.com.au

Player ratings as Belgium dump Brazil out of World Cup

Roberto Martinez's tactical masterstroke paid off with Neymar frustrating throughout

www.mirror.co.uk

RATINGS: Every player marked out of 10 from Brazil vs Belgium

After gaining confidence from Fernandinho’s early own goal, Kevin De Bruyne and Romelu Lukaku in particular to the game by the scruff of the neck

www.independent.co.uk

It's obviously a mixture of the two to be a decent player. Or if you are just a goalscorer then you have to do it in the biggest games also. There was zero pressure on utd midweek they were as good as out. So don't think it can be classed as such.

Problem here you are treating something as though it is black and white and there is only one answer. He scores goals and can have a good game all round, he can sometimes not score and still be good-ish, sometimes score and be awful and sometimes he doesn't score or offer anything. The trouble with Lukaku is he tends to have more of the later two. If you think his build up play is worthy of a world class forward up to you, but it really isn't. Against weaker teams you can generally be a bit more sloppy but you will still get more time and more chances to fill your boots. Against better teams you lose possession and you don't see the ball again for 5 minutes.

Let me repeat I'm not saying he is crap, I would have him back here now and we would be better for it. However once you go up a level, so far he has been found wanting. He almost has it all so some games I expect him to be in full beast mode and that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. But were you on here spouting his greatness as he missed a couple of absolute sitters over the last month or so? So why after one/couple of good games does the usual suspects come on here proclaiming that. Nothing has changed it is still the same old Rom.

 

[Walken]

It's obviously a mixture of the two to be a decent player. Or if you are just a goalscorer then you have to do it in the biggest games also. There was zero pressure on utd midweek they were as good as out. So don't think it can be classed as such.

Problem here you are treating something as though it is black and white and there is only one answer. He scores goals and can have a good game all round, he can sometimes not score and still be good-ish, sometimes score and be awful and sometimes he doesn't score or offer anything. The trouble with Lukaku is he tends to have more of the later two. If you think his build up play is worthy of a world class forward up to you, but it really isn't. Against weaker teams you can generally be a bit more sloppy but you will still get more time and more chances to fill your boots. Against better teams you lose possession and you don't see the ball again for 5 minutes.

Let me repeat I'm not saying he is crap, I would have him back here now and we would be better for it. However once you go up a level, so far he has been found wanting. He almost has it all so some games I expect him to be in full beast mode and that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. But were you on here spouting his greatness as he missed a couple of absolute sitters over the last month or so? So why after one/couple of good games does the usual suspects come on here proclaiming that. Nothing has changed it is still the same old Rom.

That's a much fairer assessment, with respect I don't agree with it still and I think discounting the PSG game is an incredibly harsh attempt to keep the big games theory going. Also I would say equally when he goes through anything resembling a tough patch this thread is alive and kicking with lads delighted to point out his struggles.

 

[The binman chronicles]

That's a much fairer assessment, with respect I don't agree with it still and I think discounting the PSG game is an incredibly harsh attempt to keep the big games theory going. Also I would say equally when he goes through anything resembling a tough patch this thread is alive and kicking with lads delighted to point out his struggles.

I agree with that part. Sometimes I will do it myself, but if he scores a worldie in a final I will also come on here and give him his full dues.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Ryan Giggs. The Wales manager.

Paul Scholes. The Oldham manager.

I was responding to a poster that said people on the internet have a persona of know it all. Well the 3 people I quoted don tfall into that category and know a lot more than us.

Face facts, some people will always judge him on goals only - therefore in their eyes he's world class. The rest of us judge him as a player - he's bang average.

He split opinion here, splits opinion in Belgium and he's doing exactly the same at Utd. Your view will be dependant on what you want from your strikers.