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Ronald Koeman discussion

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Might being the key word there but that'd be nice for them and I hope they win on wed that's for sure and it would be nice for us to be in that position but it's hardly a measure of Koemans failure there that Southampton are now in a semi final a season on. it's a Cup that nobody prioritises and it's still a big IF for them to win it yet anyway. We were in that position twice last season and won jack . I just think it's laughable that you give the fella down the banks for almost anything he does. I suspect almost everyone in football would say Southampton were doing better last season than this yet you still use it against Koeman as something else to beat him with. Personally I couldn't care less about what he achieved or didn't achieve at Southampton or what they achieve this season either TBH and you 'might' see Everton there next season but I wouldn't judge Ronnies time here as a success if he won the League Cup either, although as I said before it would be nice. The point in playing any player is to improve the team and that's the top and bottom of it for me, I couldn't care what age they are.
You must be kidding. We've been trophy-less for 22 years. If he won us a trophy - ANY trophy - he;d have earned the £6M per year he's receiving.

Dont underestimate the thirst for silverware amongst the fans of this club. The degrading of the LC by some is bewildering to me.
 
You know that had we made a semi-final some would be giving credit to the previous manager for "laying the groundwork" for successful cup campaigns. Ironic that.

I wonder if Soton lose the semi if their fans would consider this season more successful than last, somehow I think not.
 
You must be kidding. We've been trophy-less for 22 years. If he won us a trophy - ANY trophy - he;d have earned the £6M per year he's receiving.

Dont underestimate the thirst for silverware amongst the fans of this club. The degrading of the LC by some is bewildering to me.

I'd like to see us win more than that if I'm honest but I won't be on here everyday in the meantime giving him grief over it.

Oh and Dave ever since I've been big enough to take an interest in football it's been known as the Mickey Mouse Cup so I don't think I'm degrading it really It's always been seen as that for me.
 
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You know that had we made a semi-final some would be giving credit to the previous manager for "laying the groundwork" for successful cup campaigns. Ironic that.

I wonder if Soton lose the semi if their fans would consider this season more successful than last, somehow I think not.

Second place or SFs are meaningless unless you win a cup. League position is the bread and butter.
 
I'd like to see us win more than that if I'm honest but I won't be on here everyday in the meantime giving him grief over it.
It's okay, because Dave will be doing that for you.

In fact, we could win the treble and he'd still be giving Koeman grief for something daft. Probably not being Catalonian, or not having brown shoes in the ceremonies or something.
 
Sims and Olomola have made 1 substitute appearance each and McQueen has played twice
Reed started and finished the Qtr final as did McQueen; Sims came on as a sub.

Reed, McQueen, Stephens and Isgrove all started and finished in round four

Reed, Targett, Hesketh all started and finished in round three.


Oh look ^^^ facts.

Why not have a go at producing one or two of them yourself?

Pfffft!
 

Dave mate what if we did catch up with the top 6 in the next month ? And then go for the last push to qualify for Europe ,would you change your view on koeman mate ? Nil satis nisi optinum
Cant say more than this:

Look, I have no interest in falling out with others over Koeman. I've readily admitted that I dont like the feller and I see him falling short of being what I call Everton class in terms of his conduct here so far, but I've been very realistic and fair in any assessment of what we should demand from him this season and the following ones.

  • The recent upturn results are to be welcomed. They offer a glimpse of what might be (though tempered by a nagging doubt that the players themselves are in 'non-pressurised' mode and that's had an effect too)

  • Similarly the upturn in performance is noted. These players are not the wastrels that many were all too eager to portray them as. They can play - no question of that. The general standard of play all season has been pretty dire, so anything like the last three weeks or so is encouraging.

  • His purchases look to be ok for the most part. Gueye especially so, he is doing exactly what McCarthy did in his first season - giving us a presence and energy in midfield. Lookman looks like he has good potential. Schneiderlin is good (but not a crucial buy for us, imo). His purchase of Bolasie looks a terrible waste of funds though.

  • The early exits in the cup are a big negative because they not only take away our dreams for another season, they also take away pressure and competition amongst the squad for a first team place. That needs a big improvement on next season.

  • We're 7th and looking like we'll show a clean pair of heels to the other teams chasing an outside European place in behind the pack of six ahead. It's important we emerge out of that ruck of mediocrity and we are doing so. That is a big merit that goes to Koeman. That wont be enough next season though.

FWIW that's where I stand on Koeman, and I think it's a lot healthier than handing him a free pass to say or do what he pleases or achieve/underachieve how he wants - which seem to be at the heart of some posters views on him. Never ever forget this feller is lucky to be here at Everton, it's NOT the other way around.
 

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