Ronald Koeman discussion

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Zatara said:
Defence is packed with Baines Jagielka and Williams forced to sit deep as they have lost their pace.

We then have the defensive midfielders Schneiderlin and Gana having to sit deep as well to receive the ball from the defenders.

In front we have attacking midfielders where the defensive midfielders should be and then a forward miles ahead of them.

In short, the defence has improved because we sit so deep and play a lot of defensive players.


With a flat back 4 and a left sided centre back with pace who can pass we can play a higher line and start off closer to the opponents goal.

There doesn't seem to be an confidence in the players and he just wants to be ultra negative and hope Klaassen, Sigurdsson or rooney can sneak a goal somehow so we win 1-0.
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That is the crux of the problem and it seems to be a bizarre way to operate. He's banged on about pressing for the whole of last season yet done nothing to solve the fundamental problem that our defence is too slow, as is the rest of the team.
 

Rugby Toffee said:
Message to RK .....3 AT THE BACK DOESN'T WORK WITH THE PLAYERS WE HAVE FFS
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I don't see why sides are using it a lot nowadays. Is it because Chelsea won the league with it?

To me, you have a strong 5 midfield with pace and width it controls a midfield more than relying on wingbacks
 
We have not looked like a top side since Coleman got injured. You can't account for losing one of the best right backs in the world. Koeman still needs to hold himself accountable for our lack of reliable width. He needs to hold himself accountable for the potential departures of Barkley and Mirallas who could have provided width/spark. He needs to find solutions to these key areas quickly as we will have a rough schedule.
 
Osamabindiesel said:
We have not looked like a top side since Coleman got injured. You can't account for losing one of the best right backs in the world. Koeman still needs to hold himself accountable for our lack of reliable width. He needs to hold himself accountable for the potential departures of Barkley and Mirallas who could have provided width/spark. He needs to find solutions to these key areas quickly as we will have a rough schedule.
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Indeed:

1) Kenny is the closest we have to Coleman in the sense of attacking intent and shifting the ball up the pitch quickly.
2) Barkley, despite his faults, always looks to carry the ball forward
3) Mirallas, attacking intent, carrys the ball inside (and forward)
4) Barry, ok no pace, but passing intelligence was always foward-looking.

Kenny being mugged off having to watch the barely adequate Martina getting the nod, and the other 3 at varying stages of out the door.

Yet we just hear about self entitled jabs towards the board like he isn't accountable for any of it. Starting to wonder what Unsworth could do with us.
 
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dannyboy said:
The Arsenal performance stood out under Martinez. That first half was possibly our best ever in the Premier League era given the opposition. It was amazing to see Everton play like that against a top side away from home. Sadly, I don't think we have seen it since. I agree the players didn't help Martinez but I think that's down to his style of management- amazing when things are going well, not so good being all matey with the players when you're in a rut.

I would say this is a very Moyes team right now, but something about Koeman (who has been there and done it in terms of his playing career) makes me think he can grind out a fantastic season/trophy.
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Zatara said:
Defence is packed with Baines Jagielka and Williams forced to sit deep as they have lost their pace.

We then have the defensive midfielders Schneiderlin and Gana having to sit deep as well to receive the ball from the defenders.

In front we have attacking midfielders where the defensive midfielders should be and then a forward miles ahead of them.

In short, the defence has improved because we sit so deep and play a lot of defensive players.


With a flat back 4 and a left sided centre back with pace who can pass we can play a higher line and start off closer to the opponents goal.

There doesn't seem to be an confidence in the players and he just wants to be ultra negative and hope Klaassen, Sigurdsson or rooney can sneak a goal somehow so we win 1-0.
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If we get the balance right I think we can start looking up the table instead of consolidating 'best of the rest'.
As we've all alluded too -although little to go off- Martinez's first season was something of a stepping out of the dark moment, everything seemed to click and we all got carried away [who knows what would have happened if we got forth that season, we had to be the team to get the most points and not get in]. That's not saying Martinez's Everton is the blueprint to follow, but I genuinely feel we were building something of an identiy. Probably an over used superlative but we had an aura about us, the big teams were talking about us in concerned ways, we 'loaned' our way to success, and a fair few thought Barca were gonna sweep him away.

I fully agree his mantra didn't work when the chips were down, but I feel we lacked conviction and believe when we had a run of poor results. I think weve said for a long time we lack leaders, and don't have characters in the dressing room, it just seems to me we resorted to type, and then the manager becomes the scapegoat. Look at Koemans 1st season after the first 5 games, it when south very fast after the Norwich cup game, we're a defeat or two from collapsing. Koeman to his credit switched it up, but we resorted to a style lacking in his pressing vision.

Atm I can't see the direction the team is going, we've got characters back in the dressing room, we've got likemineded midfielders, strengthen the defense, but imo we lack real width, we lack a midfield who'll carry the ball/team forward, we've got rid of players who were quick footed and a bit mercurial (Geri). As I'm slightly lazy the rest typed below is a copy and paste from a previous post but I think it ties in nicely with this.

This has probably been said by a fair few people, but I'm not sure I get the calls for a targetman in the Giroud mold.

The midfield is a jack-of-all-trades, all rather samey, with no one player who'll commit to getting forward in the final third.
Thereby what is the point in a targetman holding the ball up when the support doesn't come from our midfield - Glyfi isn't that player either. We have an abundance centre mids and adding another just doesn't bring anything to the team.


For all Barkley's flaws -I'm not his biggest fan- he would atleast carry the team forward. Oddly this formation would suit him a lot more as a position is clearly identifiable for him. I'm not saying keep Barkley either, I've said many a time away from this forum he should be sold for his own good, but there has got to be a player of his ilk but better - and I don't think Gylfi is that.

Then again I'm 'wetting the bed' 'it's only preseason' and 'koeman knows best' and you know what all that might be true which renders this and any other forum a waste of time. Nobody should have an opinion because your not Koeman
 
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I did not see the game but judging from the tone of the commentings on it I've read in here, would it be safe to say the odds of Koeman winning the managerial sack race have just shortened a little?
 
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Koeman is what he is.

Because he was a great player in great teams people assume that is the style of football he'd promote.

It isn't. I've been saying since we were linked with him that he will get us fit, well organised and solid. He is Moyes without the skills in recruitment. Dutch Pulis.
 
Timak said:
Koeman is what he is.

Because he was a great player in great teams people assume that is the style of football he'd promote.

It isn't. I've been saying since we were linked with him that he will get us fit, well organised and solid. He is Moyes without the skills in recruitment. Dutch Pulis.
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This is becoming increasingly obvious for me.
 
R934 said:
Then again I'm 'wetting the bed' 'it's only preseason' and 'koeman knows best' and you know what all that might be true which renders this and any other forum a waste of time. Nobody should have an opinion because your not Koeman
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You'd hope he knows best, but out of 11 games since the summer break we've looked toothless and bereft of any creativity in all but the second half against Sevilla, hardly bed-wetting mate.
 

Timak said:
Koeman is what he is.

Because he was a great player in great teams people assume that is the style of football he'd promote.

It isn't. I've been saying since we were linked with him that he will get us fit, well organised and solid. He is Moyes without the skills in recruitment. Dutch Pulis.
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A very good point, and one that I would agree with.
 
The absolute state of this place lol

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