Ronald Koeman discussion

[dannyboy]

Ok then, Im going to back to your original point. Go over the team. How many of them AREN'T signed under Koeman's watch. Then explain your stance of 'haven't got the players to implement the tactics'?

I was referring to the tactics that the poster wanted us to adopt of going to these places and dominating the possession. The opposition would just let us have the ball and pick us apart on the break, as they did consistently under Martinez.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I like all the players weve signed. Just not how they're being used at the moment.

But it's still early and still has a massive striker sized hole in it.

Still think we'll be fine, just no better than last season. Slightly closer than season but still 7th. (Despite Arsenal looking grim).

I think 6th has to be the target. Top 4 next year. A cup would be excellent. 2 embarassing home exits won't do this year.

The striker has to come this week and has to be good. If we can't get Giroud benteke etc then it has to be a pacey option to stretch the game.

 

[matty1878]

Yeah said his mrs has had to hide the crisps and chocolate at home as he has been getting through a 12 pack of hula hoops and box of maltesers a day. Said we are crap and would like a move to a league where Steve Walsh isn't worshipped.

Rounded off the interview by hugging Aldo and skipping off down the Goodison corridors humming YNWA.

lol lol lol

 

[riddick]

I was referring to the tactics that the poster wanted us to adopt of going to these places and dominating the possession. The opposition would just let us have the ball and pick us apart on the break, as they did consistently under Martinez.

Ah, my bad. Thought you meant something else, apologies!

 

[Lanolin]

It didn't work today but we weren't a million miles away against City and at Old Trafford last year. I've yet to see any other approach work on a consistent basis, might as well go with the one that seems to be the most pragmatic.

That's where I'll never agree. If no approach is likely to work them at least go down fighting. Not talking about all attack but give the oppposition something to think about. Nothing pragmatic about failing to have a shot on target until 70 minutes after you fell behind.

 

[dannyboy]

That's where I'll never agree. If no approach is likely to work them at least go down fighting. Not talking about all attack but give the oppposition something to think about. Nothing pragmatic about failing to have a shot on target until 70 minutes after you fell behind.

It was crap today but there'll be other games where we do have a bit of threat on the break with this approach. There's always going to be a few games every season where the opposition are just better and you couldn't compete, today was one of them- hopefully there won't be many more.

 

[R934]

We still didn't win any of those games under Martinez. We had a couple of good performances against the top teams in three years, the rest were exactly the same as what we served up today. Outclassed and hoping for the best.

Grind out the result/influence the game. It really matters very little when you haven't got the players to implement your tactics.

So for the best part of 21 odd years we've not had the players to implement tactics?

I'm not calling for us to go to Chelsea etc and dominate possession -as you've alluded to within this thread.
I'm merely suggesting we stop playing reactive football when we play the 'bigger teams' - for a very simple example today going to a flat-back-4 and bringing Lennon on with 10 minutes left was our most productive period in the match. You could put that down to Chelsea taking there foot off the gas, but maybe instead of looking for the pessimistic viewpoint why can't it be down to us taking the game to them? Dominic Calvert-Lewin's performance also typifies this point - we stopped looking to contain and instead tried to stretch Chelsea. Why not do that from the off?

Re. Martinez like I said there was gapping flaws, but actually setting up to compete we were a lot closer to taking something from them. But if as you keep saying it's only down to money then there is little point me adding anything further to this conversation. To reaffirm the opening point we've been making excuses for the best part of 21 odd years...

 

[TrixyStevens]

Don't think he knows what he's at at th moment playing three at the back with players who don't suit the system and wing backs who don't bomb forward. Watching them is like pulling teeth.

 

[Gerbs]

It was crap today but there'll be other games where we do have a bit of threat on the break with this approach. There's always going to be a few games every season where the opposition are just better and you couldn't compete, today was one of them- hopefully there won't be many more.

The problem is we didn't have a go at it in Croatia, we didn't have a go at it against a 10 man City team. We have the 2nd least shots in the prem. We have only 6 shots on target the entire season. That's against stoke and a team playing with ten men for over 45 minutes

 

[dannyboy]

So for the best part of 21 odd years we've not had the players to implement tactics?

I'm not calling for us to go to Chelsea etc and dominate possession -as you've alluded to within this thread.
I'm merely suggesting we stop playing reactive football when we play the 'bigger teams' - for a very simple example today going to a flat-back-4 and bringing Lennon on with 10 minutes left was our most productive period in the match. You could put that down to Chelsea taking there foot off the gas, but maybe instead of looking for the pessimistic viewpoint why can't it be down to us taking the game to them? Dominic Calvert-Lewin's performance also typifies this point.

Re. Martinez like I said there was gapping flaws, but actually setting up to compete we were a lot closer to taking something from them. But if as you keep saying it's only down to money then there is little point me adding anything further to this conversation. To reaffirm the opening point we've been making excuses for the best part of 21 odd years...

You know what, mate, I'd love us to take the game to these teams. I just don't think it'd work, I think it'd end up being humiliating for the most part. That's probably extremely negative from me but that's what being an Evertonian for the last 20 odd years does to ya...

I look throughout our squad and I also think the mentality is lacking from a lot of these players to believe they could dominate likes of Chelsea away from home. That's something I do actually give Martinez credit for because he recognised the weakness in belief. Shame he couldn't do anything about it.

 

[MikeH72]

We won at Old Trafford under Martinez.

I'm just sayin'

So did Newcastle under Pardew, West Brom and Swansea.

 

[MACCA75]

We should enter that 'Walking Football' league. Would suit us better.

 

[stretford blue]

We are desperate for a forward .but whoever it is would not have made an ounce of difference the way we set up today .the forward is to isolated there is zero width the full backs are not wing backs and he doesn't play wingers .

 

[DownunderToffee]

If we can beat Tottenham after the break and get a win/draw against United away, it'll set us up nicely for our next five:

Bournemouth (H), Burnley (H), Brighton (A), Arsenal (H), Leicester (A).

That would be 10 games played, you'd hope we're at a minimum of 6 wins by that point.

Let's judge Koeman by the end of that run.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Koeman is going to have to make some tough decisions. There isn't a place for all of his favored players in every game. Bring some balance and rotate the players as necessary. Stop freezing players out.