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Ronald Koeman discussion

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Just when we've begun to look as if we're about to turn a corner...

Anyhow, I've had time to stew over it - we need to stick with him. It's a bit tiresome seeing our supporters singling out Ronald as the main problem behind our recent troubles.

Don't get me wrong, he's not blameless - but he certainly isn't the root cause of the issues we currently have.

First of all, injuries have killed what width we had. Bolasie and Coleman offer not only pace, but experience in a side that lacks balance and direction. Koeman could do very little about that.

What needs to happen is that we, the supporters, get behind our team and try and help them get going. I was at Goodison yesterday, and the place was like a library - and understandably so. Like the rest of us, I bought into the belief that we'll be competing with the very top this season - but alas reality bites.

We need to get the place going again, and help build confidence. The amount of abuse thrown at Martina yesterday from where I was sat was thoroughly undeserved, and it was obvious that it had its implications on the rest of the

Give him time.
 

Just when we've begun to look as if we're about to turn a corner...

Anyhow, I've had time to stew over it - we need to stick with him. It's a bit tiresome seeing our supporters singling out Ronald as the main problem behind our recent troubles.

Don't get me wrong, he's not blameless - but he certainly isn't the root cause of the issues we currently have.

First of all, injuries have killed what width we had. Bolasie and Coleman offer not only pace, but experience in a side that lacks balance and direction. Koeman could do very little about that.

What needs to happen is that we, the supporters, get behind our team and try and help them get going. I was at Goodison yesterday, and the place was like a library - and understandably so. Like the rest of us, I bought into the belief that we'll be competing with the very top this season - but alas reality bites.

We need to get the place going again, and help build confidence. The amount of abuse thrown at Martina yesterday from where I was sat was thoroughly undeserved, and it was obvious that it had its implications on the rest of the

Give him time.
You don't think there was anything Koeman could have done about our lack of width? Nothing at all? You don't think, I don't know, spending some of the £150m over the summer on replacing players we knew would be unavailable was a possibility?
 
Just when we've begun to look as if we're about to turn a corner...

Anyhow, I've had time to stew over it - we need to stick with him. It's a bit tiresome seeing our supporters singling out Ronald as the main problem behind our recent troubles.

Don't get me wrong, he's not blameless - but he certainly isn't the root cause of the issues we currently have.

First of all, injuries have killed what width we had. Bolasie and Coleman offer not only pace, but experience in a side that lacks balance and direction. Koeman could do very little about that.

What needs to happen is that we, the supporters, get behind our team and try and help them get going. I was at Goodison yesterday, and the place was like a library - and understandably so. Like the rest of us, I bought into the belief that we'll be competing with the very top this season - but alas reality bites.

We need to get the place going again, and help build confidence. The amount of abuse thrown at Martina yesterday from where I was sat was thoroughly undeserved, and it was obvious that it had its implications on the rest of the

Give him time.

He's pretty much spent more than both our last managers combined.

He arrogantly came in last season and went on a mission to get rid of every single player Martinez brought in rather than develop or use them.

Hes lost all of our attacking threat - Lukaku, Barkley, Lennon, Mirallas, Deulofeu - and hasn't replaced it with anything better or improved.

He's over paid for easy targets. Pickford, Keane, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Williams, Bolasie.

He's and Walsh have also failed at any target above our status. Also failed to eye bargins that are playing in the first team.
 

Just when we've begun to look as if we're about to turn a corner...

Anyhow, I've had time to stew over it - we need to stick with him. It's a bit tiresome seeing our supporters singling out Ronald as the main problem behind our recent troubles.

Don't get me wrong, he's not blameless - but he certainly isn't the root cause of the issues we currently have.

First of all, injuries have killed what width we had. Bolasie and Coleman offer not only pace, but experience in a side that lacks balance and direction. Koeman could do very little about that.

What needs to happen is that we, the supporters, get behind our team and try and help them get going. I was at Goodison yesterday, and the place was like a library - and understandably so. Like the rest of us, I bought into the belief that we'll be competing with the very top this season - but alas reality bites.

We need to get the place going again, and help build confidence. The amount of abuse thrown at Martina yesterday from where I was sat was thoroughly undeserved, and it was obvious that it had its implications on the rest of the

Give him time.

...I think that's putting the cart before the horse, in that it takes performance to generate atmosphere. I actually think the crowd have been patient given what has been served up this season.

I also think tactics and formation are down to the manager. For me, the lack of width is more of a defensive problem. Giggs and Beckham set the standard of wide players who work the length of the pitch, forming defensive and attacking partnerships with their full backs. Koeman doesn't appear to want conventional wide players (Lookman and Mirallas have been at his disposal), which might be ok when you have the likes of Vlasic and Sigurdsson centrally supporting the striker.

The problem occurs when the opposition have the ball. Neither player yesterday regularly worked the defensive third. For their goal you will see Vlasic toiling and on other occasions you will see him watching. It's the managers tactics that are creating a void on either side of the pitch. In one of the European away games somebody commented that an opposition full back ran 20 yards with no Everton player in sight. It's because we have a defensive chasm on either flank.

Injuries don't mean you still can't set your team up to be hard to beat. I think we were fortunate Burnley didn't exploit the weakness more.
 
The only positive for me here is that RK can't find a system to get anything out of the new players, rather than the new players being awful in a good system, when he goes the successor will come into a good squad once he adds a striker and CB or two
 
The only positive for me here is that RK can't find a system to get anything out of the new players, rather than the new players being awful in a good system, when he goes the successor will come into a good squad once he adds a striker and CB or two

Spot on.

Similar scenario to when Royle took over from Walker.

Walker had spent a fortune and the quality was there, it just wasn't being used right and the players had totally lost all their confidence.

Whoever comes in next deffo has decent players at his disposal, they just need setting up right and with clear direction.
 
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I think, at the very least, Moshiri needs to be sounding out Ancelotti at this point. If he's genuinely interested, as highly unlikely as it is, then it's a no brainer to cut our losses with Koeman and bring him in. If not, no harm in checking either way.
 

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