Ronald Koeman discussion

[davek]

LOL
and we call the Reds deluded...

For the past 25 years mate, we've been a perennial underachiever / bottle job, with ambitions of getting back into the top bracket but no investment to match. Nothing to do with self respect or pride in our history. Kind of like the British Empire in a lot of senses.

^^^ This is the cap in hand attitude that sends a message out to employees of the club that it's ok to rubbish the institution.

 

[bullensboy]

When I first heard the Moshiri interview with White a couple of days ago, I thought to myself his comments on Koeman felt a bit cold, distant and perhaps that he was not too impressed with him.

Could the Koeman comments on Lukaku actually be a bit of revenge from the Dutchman ?

nah, probably not. However I still dont think there is too much respect for each other going on events this week

 

[Prevenger17]

This role reversal that you and Dave have performed in the last 6 months is creepy.

I reckon they do it in seasonal shifts. Watch Davek furiously defend Koeman next season after our 10th straight defeat, which comes at home to Brighton

 

[Elong]

Amazing that the same people criticising Moshiri for not opening his cheque book are the same defending Koeman for saying Everton is allowed to be used as a stepping stone.

 

[MikeH72]

Who would people want as our next manager out of interest? I feel Eddie Howe would be a popular choice.

 

[ianefc]

This role reversal that you and Dave have performed in the last 6 months is creepy.

 

[ianefc]

This role reversal that you and Dave have performed in the last 6 months is creepy.

Be interesting to see if some of the 'Clique' call him put like they did me. Shan't be holding my breath.

 

[Raino85]

Knows the club. No brainer.

And he's a blue and wont slag us off

 

[BlueToff]

Moshiri saying that Koeman's comments were taken out of context, and that this is what Rom could go on to become (??)

 

[MikeH72]

And he's a blue and wont [Poor language removed] us off

A back room team of Stubbsy, Unsy, Big Dunc, Timmy Cahill and Sheeds. Imagine the pride and passion. Needs to happen.

 

[D410]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ews/everton-koeman-lukaku-raiola-psg-12150772

Koeman was wrong - "It might be true but it's not for the Everton manager to say it"
Greg O'Keeffe (Everton Editor)

We've had it from the man himself.

We've had it from his agent.

Now, and perhaps most improbably, we've had it from Everton's manager.

No wonder Romelu Lukaku feels free to talk about his career beyond Goodison so frequently.
Ronald Koeman's comments have slipped under the radar for some.

On the surface of it, they merely represented the Dutchman being himself; honest and upfront.

After three years of Roberto Martinez's bluster and filibustering, it's refreshing in almost every respect.

But there's still a time when it may be better to maintain a dignified silence or exercise a little diplomacy.

I'm not suggesting Koeman should do a Chemical Ali, put his blinkers on and suggest Lukaku should stay at Goodison because, after all, this time next season we'll be reigning Premier League champions and top of our Champions League qualifying group.

Nobody wants pointless platitudes over pragmatism

But the manager of Everton Football Club should also exercise caution when it comes to anything that could be seen to undermine what the club wants to do.

It wants to grow, to expand - into a new stadium and back into European football.

It does not need its manager suggesting that any of its players possess a potential which is beyond it.

They may well do. But it's not Koeman's place to say it.
When Mino Raiola, Lukaku's agent, once said he would never have let Lukaku join the Blues back in 2014 if he'd represented him then, it angered some.

Koeman's comments, even if not deliberately, consolidate the same mindset.

What message does it send to the next gems on the Finch Farm academy conveyor belt?

Why bother trying to make it at Everton? Grab your advisers, think of the bigger picture and join Manchester City asap.

Imagine if Jurgen Klopp said the same about Coutinho? Or Mauricio Pochettino suggested Harry Kane might be better moving on if he wants to regularly compete for the title.

Lukaku is only 23.

If he were 28, time was ticking at the height of his powers, and his need for Champions League football was make or break, you could understand Koeman suggesting that, in the player's interests, a move could eventually make sense.

Maybe more so if his goals had helped the Toffees win a trophy or break into the top four.

But Koeman doesn't speak in the players' individual interests.
In every other way he has shown that he is not a man to be crossed. He will drop players, sub them off, and make clear the line over which they dare not cross lest they lose his trust.

But he must not develop a blind-spot when it comes to Lukaku, simply because the striker's decision to stay in the summer has proven such a key aspect of allowing his side to be competitive in his first season.

Evertonians aren't mugs.

It's OK to be realistic. They don't want candied promises. They don't want fantasy.

It's NOT OK to say something which could be interpreted as suggesting that any player is bigger than the club

Cowards
They sit in old hall street not daring to cross swords with the club but don,t have the guts to tell the fanbase themselves the truth !
They themselves perpuate the club charade every season, every transfer window, every AGM, and new manager.
"Please don,t tell us the truth we have papers to sell, the club has season tkt to sell, the toffee lady has sweets to give away"

Personally they can all lock themslves in a dark room with Bill till the end of time.

 

[D410]

Who would people want as our next manager out of interest? I feel Eddie Howe would be a popular choice.

That,s the spirit, lets find some at our level who,s prepared to stay on message and make us lucky to be in the EPL.

 

[Raino85]

LOL
and we call the Reds deluded...

For the past 25 years mate, we've been a perennial underachiever / bottle job, with ambitions of getting back into the top bracket but no investment to match. Nothing to do with self respect or pride in our history. Kind of like the British Empire in a lot of senses.

I love the way people harp back to we won a few trophies 25/30 years ago.
These are probably the same people who harp on about chelsea having no history!
Believe it or not Chelsea have now won well more than what we have in our exsistance us building a club, building a history, and taking over us in that time!
We call them lot out for harping on about there history, we are just as bad!
Preston North End won shed loads in the early 1900's, would like Lukaku want to go there?
What about leeds cos they were good in the 70s?

To even remotely be seen as one of the big cheeses it will take time, money and a gradual step. By that time Lukaku will be 31 or older, will he wait that long? Nah, some people need a reality check

 

[orly]

Cowards
They sit in old hall street not daring to cross swords with the club but don,t have the guts to tell the fanbase themselves the truth !
They themselves perpuate the club charade every season, every transfer window, every AGM, and new manager.
"Please don,t tell us the truth we have papers to sell, the club has season tkt to sell, the toffee lady has sweets to give away"

Personally they can all lock themslves in a dark room with Bill till the end of time.

He's just put his name to an article in the biggest local paper John you absolute goblin. He's actively challenged the manager there in the public domain. No I tell you what, in international week he should break into Koeman's office Watergate style and try and build a filibuster case against him.

You piping up when the Club is at a low ebb again, what a surprise.

 

[D410]

tbf John most teams have to do this at some point. I'm not arsed of we sell one boss player a year if it meant we get 3 in who are better for the team.

What I'm not happy with is someone whose only just got his feet under the table basically publicly flogging a player and actively saying we should be used as a stepping stone.

Most of the people who run the club have used us for 21 years did we forget about that one.