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Ronald Koeman discussion

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Since Martinez' first window, we have had some pretty nondescript ones since then and last summer was also a disappointment to many, including me.

A lack of Investment, poor signings by Martinez in the main, and the aging of Moyes' old guard have all combined and caught up with us.

I think it's right that we'll need to replace 80% of the squad within the next 3-5 windows. That is more or less a given.

It's also a period where we are likely going to need a healthy net spend. I know this tends to be a divisive topic and I agree that it's not a good indicator of progress in a single window, but over the course of several it does point to the level of ambition a club has.

I expect Lukaku to leave and perhaps even Barkley too and Ross isn't going to be the cash cow the board might have bargained for even at the start of this season.

Additionally, we are unlikely to move players like McCarthy and Cleverley on for example and replace them with signings in their positions that are good enough if we were to spend only what we recoup.

I also think it will be very difficult to move many of them on at all.

I hope Walsh proves that he remains adept with buying in Europe, as we have a pretty dreadful and limited record of buying non-domestic players in recent years. There is still greater value for money, albeit less than it was, so I hope that a lot of the scouting effort since August has been directed at Europe and elsewhere. Given our interest in Gabbiadini etc, last summer, I think it's likely it will.
 
brieverton said:
Since Martinez' first window, we have had some pretty nondescript ones since then and last summer was also a disappointment to many, including me.

A lack of Investment, poor signings by Martinez in the main, and the aging of Moyes' old guard have all combined and caught up with us.

I think it's right that we'll need to replace 80% of the squad within the next 3-5 windows. That is more or less a given.

It's also a period where we are likely going to need a healthy net spend. I know this tends to be a divisive topic and I agree that it's not a good indicator of progress in a single window, but over the course of several it does point to the level of ambition a club has.

I expect Lukaku to leave and perhaps even Barkley too and Ross isn't going to be the cash cow the board might have bargained for even at the start of this season.

Additionally, we are unlikely to move players like McCarthy and Cleverley on for example and replace them with signings in their positions that are good enough if we were to spend only what we recoup.

I also think it will be very difficult to move many of them on at all.

I hope Walsh proves that he remains adept with buying in Europe, as we have a pretty dreadful and limited record of buying non-domestic players in recent years. There is still greater value for money, albeit less than it was, so I hope that a lot of the scouting effort since August has been directed at Europe and elsewhere. Given our interest in Gabbiadini etc, last summer, I think it's likely it will.
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Pretty obvious he will leave. Would have gone to Palace if not Sissoko.
 
Brennan said:
Realistically the worst case scenario after this weekend is that we could be 9th, or we could very well be 6th.

Considering our performances in the league in the two seasons prior and our shocking performance in the summer transfer window I'm rather puzzled as to why everybody is fuming so much.
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It's the way we've been playing for the last couple of months. When have Evertonians not fumed when the players look half arsed?
 
League position is irrelevant. Just because lots of other teams are rubbish doesn't mean it's ok for us to be slightly not as rubbish. The worrying thing for me is the fact that someone thinks Bolasie and Sissoko are £30m players. If there is any money you can see it being peed up the wall which would make me fume more than anything Everton has done.



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Up Everton
 

Koeman is absolutely effing useless, and a shameless mercenary to boot - doesn't even feel his owes us the effort of a half-hearted attempt at looking invested in Everton, our history, our tradition, our culture, our success. His tactics are hopeless, his football is horrific, his signings are idiotic at best - abject at worst.

Can someone explain to me WTF we paid £30m to get Bolasie for - to add to our other 6 incosistent peripheral wingers - any why he continues to drone on about needing to buy strikers unless we start scoring when our midfield play is atrocious, our creativity non-existent, and our desperate need for a quality CM painfully self-evident? We're being linked with Depay and Van Dyke. I hope to god they're just typical bullshit rumours because they are not at all the players we need, and the prices quoted are insane.

Loss of Hibbert, Osman, Pienaar, Naismith ripped the spirit out of the squad. Bunch of half-arsed mercenaries, without leadership or sense of team unity between them - all individuals. The football is disjointed, utterly bereft of cohesion - and that plank Koeman just takes off the steady, keep-it-simple team players who should be used to knit the play together, in favour of more wingers and strikers.

I couldn't believe when he took off Lennon, McCarthy and then Baines, FFS, against Southampton, to throw on Deulofeu, Valencia and Mirallas (who, to his credit, played half-decent). He just wiped out the midfield and the attacking composure of Baines and we just lumped it aimlessly for the last 30 mins. We did the same against Swansea - it was pathetic, abysmal, unwatchable.


We have to get rid ASAP.
 
RBJ-II said:
Koeman is absolutely effing useless, and a shameless mercenary to boot - doesn't even feel his owes us the effort of a half-hearted attempt at looking invested in Everton, our history, our tradition, our culture, our success. His tactics are hopeless, his football is horrific, his signings are idiotic at best - abject at worst.

Can someone explain to me WTF we paid £30m to get Bolasie for - to add to our other 6 incosistent peripheral wingers - any why he continues to drone on about needing to buy strikers unless we start scoring when our midfield play is atrocious, our creativity non-existent, and our desperate need for a quality CM painfully self-evident? We're being linked with Depay and Van Dyke. I hope to god they're just typical bullshit rumours because they are not at all the players we need, and the prices quoted are insane.

Loss of Hibbert, Osman, Pienaar, Naismith ripped the spirit out of the squad. Bunch of half-arsed mercenaries, without leadership or sense of team unity between them - all individuals. The football is disjointed, utterly bereft of cohesion - and that plank Koeman just takes off the steady, keep-it-simple team players who should be used to knit the play together, in favour of more wingers and strikers.

I couldn't believe when he took off Lennon, McCarthy and then Baines, FFS, against Southampton, to throw on Deulofeu, Valencia and Mirallas (who, to his credit, played half-decent). He just wiped out the midfield and the attacking composure of Baines and we just lumped it aimlessly for the last 30 mins. We did the same against Swansea - it was pathetic, abysmal, unwatchable.


We have to get rid ASAP.
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And then? Get Martinez back?
 
RBJ-II said:
Koeman is absolutely effing useless, and a shameless mercenary to boot - doesn't even feel his owes us the effort of a half-hearted attempt at looking invested in Everton, our history, our tradition, our culture, our success. His tactics are hopeless, his football is horrific, his signings are idiotic at best - abject at worst.

Can someone explain to me WTF we paid £30m to get Bolasie for - to add to our other 6 incosistent peripheral wingers - any why he continues to drone on about needing to buy strikers unless we start scoring when our midfield play is atrocious, our creativity non-existent, and our desperate need for a quality CM painfully self-evident? We're being linked with Depay and Van Dyke. I hope to god they're just typical bullshit rumours because they are not at all the players we need, and the prices quoted are insane.

Loss of Hibbert, Osman, Pienaar, Naismith ripped the spirit out of the squad. Bunch of half-arsed mercenaries, without leadership or sense of team unity between them - all individuals. The football is disjointed, utterly bereft of cohesion - and that plank Koeman just takes off the steady, keep-it-simple team players who should be used to knit the play together, in favour of more wingers and strikers.

I couldn't believe when he took off Lennon, McCarthy and then Baines, FFS, against Southampton, to throw on Deulofeu, Valencia and Mirallas (who, to his credit, played half-decent). He just wiped out the midfield and the attacking composure of Baines and we just lumped it aimlessly for the last 30 mins. We did the same against Swansea - it was pathetic, abysmal, unwatchable.


We have to get rid ASAP.
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Welcome to the forum mate. You'll quickly make friends. They'll be called Dave, Zat, Khalaken and Ernie.
 
RBJ-II said:
Koeman is absolutely effing useless, and a shameless mercenary to boot - doesn't even feel his owes us the effort of a half-hearted attempt at looking invested in Everton, our history, our tradition, our culture, our success. His tactics are hopeless, his football is horrific, his signings are idiotic at best - abject at worst.

Can someone explain to me WTF we paid £30m to get Bolasie for - to add to our other 6 incosistent peripheral wingers - any why he continues to drone on about needing to buy strikers unless we start scoring when our midfield play is atrocious, our creativity non-existent, and our desperate need for a quality CM painfully self-evident? We're being linked with Depay and Van Dyke. I hope to god they're just typical bullshit rumours because they are not at all the players we need, and the prices quoted are insane.

Loss of Hibbert, Osman, Pienaar, Naismith ripped the spirit out of the squad. Bunch of half-arsed mercenaries, without leadership or sense of team unity between them - all individuals. The football is disjointed, utterly bereft of cohesion - and that plank Koeman just takes off the steady, keep-it-simple team players who should be used to knit the play together, in favour of more wingers and strikers.

I couldn't believe when he took off Lennon, McCarthy and then Baines, FFS, against Southampton, to throw on Deulofeu, Valencia and Mirallas (who, to his credit, played half-decent). He just wiped out the midfield and the attacking composure of Baines and we just lumped it aimlessly for the last 30 mins. We did the same against Swansea - it was pathetic, abysmal, unwatchable.


We have to get rid ASAP.
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Crikey.....were the cornflakes soggy this morning because someone left the box open earlier in the week?

Mega fume and we don't play till tomorrow.
 

RBJ-II said:
Koeman is absolutely effing useless, and a shameless mercenary to boot - doesn't even feel his owes us the effort of a half-hearted attempt at looking invested in Everton, our history, our tradition, our culture, our success. His tactics are hopeless, his football is horrific, his signings are idiotic at best - abject at worst.

Can someone explain to me WTF we paid £30m to get Bolasie for - to add to our other 6 incosistent peripheral wingers - any why he continues to drone on about needing to buy strikers unless we start scoring when our midfield play is atrocious, our creativity non-existent, and our desperate need for a quality CM painfully self-evident? We're being linked with Depay and Van Dyke. I hope to god they're just typical bullshit rumours because they are not at all the players we need, and the prices quoted are insane.

Loss of Hibbert, Osman, Pienaar, Naismith ripped the spirit out of the squad. Bunch of half-arsed mercenaries, without leadership or sense of team unity between them - all individuals. The football is disjointed, utterly bereft of cohesion - and that plank Koeman just takes off the steady, keep-it-simple team players who should be used to knit the play together, in favour of more wingers and strikers.

I couldn't believe when he took off Lennon, McCarthy and then Baines, FFS, against Southampton, to throw on Deulofeu, Valencia and Mirallas (who, to his credit, played half-decent). He just wiped out the midfield and the attacking composure of Baines and we just lumped it aimlessly for the last 30 mins. We did the same against Swansea - it was pathetic, abysmal, unwatchable.


We have to get rid ASAP.
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ianefc said:
Welcome to the forum mate. You'll quickly make friends. They'll be called Dave, Zat, Khalaken and Ernie.
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....dont comfort yourself with that short list. If this run isn't halted/the footy quality doesn't improve/his attitude doesn't improve, Koeman will reach a very quick tipping point with fans of this club. He's got off on completely the wrong foot and needs to turn perceptions around asap.
 
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The jury appears to be out (well on this forum anyway) with regards to RK. Opinion building on his way of getting the best out of this squad. Comments from him to the effect he "knows what he wants etc". Rumours our players aren't happy (as they supposedly weren't with Martinez either). If thats true, what do these players want then? Do we keep changing managers until 'they' are happy. Thats a ridiculous notion I'd say. This group have had their chances in my opinion. Two years ago I thought we had a better or equal to squad as the RS. No way now. We've gone backwards. They've gone forward. RK might not be the answer. Once he's got the players he wants in he'll be judged. That hasn't fully happened yet. My concern about him is that to start with he's paid to get the best out of the squad he inherited. I'm not sure he has, and the apparent 'lack of effort' of so called good players within this group is disturbing.
 

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