Ronald Koeman discussion

[Khalekan]

It's not depressing. They're not ready.

Irrespective of whether Koeman is guvnor or not, I think it would indeed be pretty depressing if we had no home produced young players ready to step into the team and do a job for us at short notice.

It would certainly be unprecedented in my time as an Everton fan.

 

[davek]

So we can expect dads army again tomorrow!!

"The squad is too old...but Jags, Baines and Barry are sound...and the thirty year old players I signed are ok too..."

Unreal. The feller is completely lost.

 

[GoatJR]

 

[JLW]

This needs to be albowledge. It's such a cheap dig at Koeman about the kids, if these players were good enough he'd play them unless here were intentionally sabotaging the club.

Why aren't the apparent PL ready kids not playing for Eng U21's? That's a tell tale sign they ain't good enough/ready for me.

My issue is right now they don't have to be anything special to get in this side, Davies cameo appearances and debut last season doesn't tell me or any fan that he is not ready! At the bare minimum he deserves a shot.

 

[Blue Cheese]

Koeman is absolutely effing useless, and a shameless mercenary to boot - doesn't even feel his owes us the effort of a half-hearted attempt at looking invested in Everton, our history, our tradition, our culture, our success. His tactics are hopeless, his football is horrific, his signings are idiotic at best - abject at worst.

Can someone explain to me WTF we paid £30m to get Bolasie for - to add to our other 6 incosistent peripheral wingers - any why he continues to drone on about needing to buy strikers unless we start scoring when our midfield play is atrocious, our creativity non-existent, and our desperate need for a quality CM painfully self-evident? We're being linked with Depay and Van Dyke. I hope to god they're just typical bullshit rumours because they are not at all the players we need, and the prices quoted are insane.

Loss of Hibbert, Osman, Pienaar, Naismith ripped the spirit out of the squad. Bunch of half-arsed mercenaries, without leadership or sense of team unity between them - all individuals. The football is disjointed, utterly bereft of cohesion - and that plank Koeman just takes off the steady, keep-it-simple team players who should be used to knit the play together, in favour of more wingers and strikers.

I couldn't believe when he took off Lennon, McCarthy and then Baines, FFS, against Southampton, to throw on Deulofeu, Valencia and Mirallas (who, to his credit, played half-decent). He just wiped out the midfield and the attacking composure of Baines and we just lumped it aimlessly for the last 30 mins. We did the same against Swansea - it was pathetic, abysmal, unwatchable.


We have to get rid ASAP.

Are you former poster Royal Blue Jersey, mark 2?

 

[ianefc]

My issue is right now they don't have to be anything special to get in this side, Davies cameo appearances and debut last season doesn't tell me or any fan that he is not ready! At the bare minimum he deserves a shot.

If he is. Who gets dropped?

Me personally, I wouldn't have Barkley in the squad. So maybe it'll provide us an opportunity to play 4-3-3 as appose 4-2-3-1

 

[Blue Cheese]

“What we do is analysing young players, it is about Tom Davies, it is about Kieran Dowell, it’s about Liam Walsh, it’s about Dominic the striker, Kenny the right full-back,” Koeman said.

At least he knows who they are and keeps in contact with Unsie. Plenty of sticks to beat him with without fabricating any.

 

[JLW]

If he is. Who gets dropped?

Me personally, I wouldn't have Barkley in the squad. So maybe it'll provide us an opportunity to play 4-3-3 as appose 4-2-3-1

Barry, We don't need two defensive midfielders Gana is lively enough.

 

[ijjysmith]

It would be more depressing if we put young lads in and they couldn't cope and they were embarrassed.

 

[Khalekan]

Still a touch too early for me. I'm a firm believer that all managers need a chance. What I would say is I thought it would be much much better than this. I agree with those who say he looks distant to the club, although I'm not sure that matters.

But as I've said before the only thing that matters to me is results. I wouldn't give a toss if you were the manager, Dave was the striker and Khal was the box to box midfielder. We just need results. December look daunting now.

I'd class my self as neutral now from a previous very pro-Koeman stance, but it shows I'm open minded.

Well said, Ian

 

[jceverton]

It's not depressing. They're not ready.

Sorry but it's bullshit. We all saw Davies, Dowell & Kenny last season. We've seen Holgate play & heard what Unsworth said. They should be getting utilised, none of them got a sniff in the league cup except Holgate.

 

[ijjysmith]

Sorry but it's bullshit. We all saw Davies, Dowell & Kenny last season. We've seen Holgate play & heard what Unsworth said. They should be getting utilised, none of them got a sniff in the league cup except Holgate.

A bit different playing a few minutes here and there to playing week in week out which people seem to be clambering for. I'll trust the manager and the fact he works closely with Unsworth over people's gut feeling on here myself.

Holgate is curious though. I have to admit.

 

[jceverton]

At least he knows who they are and keeps in contact with Unsie. Plenty of sticks to beat him with without fabricating any.

Covering his arse with that statement.

 

[JLW]

It would be more depressing if we put young lads in and they couldn't cope and they were embarrassed.

Mate we have been embarrassing lately. 1 or 2 players to add a bit of enthusiasm would not harm anyone.

 

[hktoffee]

The first team squad has more to offer than Koeman is getting out of them. We dont need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Koeman cant spend his way to a better tomorrow. It takes hard work and using the material you have to hand. Coleman, Williams, Holgate, Galloway, Besic, Gueye, Barry, McCarthy, Mori, Davies, Barkley, Bolasie, Deulofeu, Mirallas, Lukaku are all players that would get in top half of the table teams comfortably. Seven of them played in a team that finished 5th a few seasons back. They know how to play if a manager plays them the way that gets the best out of them.

Koeman seems to be ignoring that and keeps on talking up incomings and talking down the players he has to hand. That scorched earth policy will set us back years. He's either not very bright or else he doesn't give a flying one about the job he's got on here. I wonder which one it is?

You are double standard dave. You gave Martinez time and continued to praise him even he failed miserably. Why can't you let Koeman signs who he wants and give him a year? While you were satisfiy with the crap Martinez gave this club for the last 2 seasons I think you are a bit unfair here.