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Ronald Koeman discussion

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Well they would say that as he'd just left them wouldn't they?

I think they've long moved on mate and have realised how damaging he would have been to them in the long term, they weren't exactly pulling out all the stops to keep him there were they?

Are we to disregards all Southampton fans comments as bitterness? Many of them had genuine concerns even when it looked like he would sign a new contract with them.
 
Overall: I think it's pretty clear Koeman is, and will continue to be, a disruptive influence. I dont think that's who we are as a club, tbh. I knew Koeman had a run in with Tadic before he arrived, but I had no idea about his back story other than that - his other fall outs at S'ton and his time at Valencia etc.

There's going to have to be tangible onfield success for him to get away with that for his tenure here to work out.
 
Now part of that attitude is perhaps down to the gushing way he's ben treated so far...like we're honoured beyond belief to have Koeman as manager. I said a few weeks back that it's the other way around: he has to prove himself to us. It's clear that some of our supporters (though not as many as I feared given yesterday's backlash against Koeman's words) believe he doesn't have to prove himself here.


Aye, there has been a troubling mindset developing amongst our fans recently. Apparently, we're lucky to have Lukaku and now we're lucky to have Koeman. Very small-club thinking
 

Overall: I think it's pretty clear Koeman is, and will continue to be, a disruptive influence. I dont think that's who we are as a club, tbh. I knew Koeman had a run in with Tadic before he arrived, but I had no idea about his back story other than that - his other fall outs at S'ton and his time at Valencia etc.

There's going to have to be tangible onfield success for him to get away with that for his tenure here to work out.

Who are we as a club Dave?
 
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ews/everton-koeman-lukaku-raiola-psg-12150772

Koeman was wrong - "It might be true but it's not for the Everton manager to say it"
Greg O'Keeffe (Everton Editor)

We've had it from the man himself.

We've had it from his agent.

Now, and perhaps most improbably, we've had it from Everton's manager.

No wonder Romelu Lukaku feels free to talk about his career beyond Goodison so frequently.
Ronald Koeman's comments have slipped under the radar for some.

On the surface of it, they merely represented the Dutchman being himself; honest and upfront.

After three years of Roberto Martinez's bluster and filibustering, it's refreshing in almost every respect.

But there's still a time when it may be better to maintain a dignified silence or exercise a little diplomacy.

I'm not suggesting Koeman should do a Chemical Ali, put his blinkers on and suggest Lukaku should stay at Goodison because, after all, this time next season we'll be reigning Premier League champions and top of our Champions League qualifying group.

Nobody wants pointless platitudes over pragmatism

But the manager of Everton Football Club should also exercise caution when it comes to anything that could be seen to undermine what the club wants to do.

It wants to grow, to expand - into a new stadium and back into European football.

It does not need its manager suggesting that any of its players possess a potential which is beyond it.

They may well do. But it's not Koeman's place to say it.
When Mino Raiola, Lukaku's agent, once said he would never have let Lukaku join the Blues back in 2014 if he'd represented him then, it angered some.

Koeman's comments, even if not deliberately, consolidate the same mindset.

What message does it send to the next gems on the Finch Farm academy conveyor belt?

Why bother trying to make it at Everton? Grab your advisers, think of the bigger picture and join Manchester City asap.

Imagine if Jurgen Klopp said the same about Coutinho? Or Mauricio Pochettino suggested Harry Kane might be better moving on if he wants to regularly compete for the title.

Lukaku is only 23.

If he were 28, time was ticking at the height of his powers, and his need for Champions League football was make or break, you could understand Koeman suggesting that, in the player's interests, a move could eventually make sense.

Maybe more so if his goals had helped the Toffees win a trophy or break into the top four.

But Koeman doesn't speak in the players' individual interests.
In every other way he has shown that he is not a man to be crossed. He will drop players, sub them off, and make clear the line over which they dare not cross lest they lose his trust.

But he must not develop a blind-spot when it comes to Lukaku, simply because the striker's decision to stay in the summer has proven such a key aspect of allowing his side to be competitive in his first season.

Evertonians aren't mugs.

It's OK to be realistic. They don't want candied promises. They don't want fantasy.

It's NOT OK to say something which could be interpreted as suggesting that any player is bigger than the club
 
Agreed.

So why didnt he just say that? Ideally he would say something along the lines of "Rom has all the talent in the world and could play for any club who regularly competes for trophies. My job is to ensure that Everton becomes one of those clubs and hopefully he can realize all his ambitions with us."

Does the same thing but without talking down the club he is the manager of.

He has said something without thinking in my opinion. Its not the end of the world, results on the pitch will make these comments disappear pretty quickly but he has put himself and the club under a bit of pressure now. For an experienced person like Koeman that's a bit naive of him.

Yep, and coming off the back of one of the worst performances I have seen.I honestly hoped the kind of performance witnessed at the pit last season was a thing of the past. We have looked a totally disorganised rabble for 2 months now, bar a reasonable 2nd half against West Ham.

The results and performances against Bournemouth, Burnley, Norwich, Crystal Palace and the horror show at Chelsea are totally unacceptable.
We got lucky in other games we have picked up points in too.

Only really the 1st half v Spurs and the 2nd half v Sunderland where I have seen what I had hoped Everton could aspire to.

For Koeman to already be showing a defeatist mentality is deeply concerning. Perhaps there is no money to take the club forward and he is looking for an exit strategy asap. Whatever the reasoning I am fed up of excuse after excuse as to why this football club cannot compete.
On the back of Leicester winning it and a bang average Liverpool currently leading the way thanks to a determined work ethic and a never give up attitude.
Sickening.
 

But he didn't say that.

It's not the end of the world. In the grand scheme of things, it matters little.

He didn't say Everton are too small. You're putting words into his mouth, and he didn't say Everton are not good enough.

He said that Lukaku wouldn't be making the best of his career should he play for Everton for the rest of it.

While that stings to hear, it's true.
Its epically bad only two days before our owner was on Talksport with Skys Jim White claiming how good RK was and how important it was to hold on to three named players one was Lukaku - has RK been disciplined yet he is making RM look good!
 
Thankfully those defending Koeman's comments speak only for themselves and a handful of other people who've lost all sense of who we are as a club.

LOL
and we call the Reds deluded...

For the past 25 years mate, we've been a perennial underachiever / bottle job, with ambitions of getting back into the top bracket but no investment to match. Nothing to do with self respect or pride in our history. Kind of like the British Empire in a lot of senses.
 
Aye, there has been a troubling mindset developing amongst our fans recently. Apparently, we're lucky to have Lukaku and now we're lucky to have Koeman. Very small-club thinking

I never understood the Koeman free pass: as a player he was awesome; as a manager: 17 years in that job and never made a real breakthrough...yet people were/are falling at his feet.

Sorry - in the grand scheme of things he's a mediocre manager and his cv pretty much nails that. No need for this club to be tugging its collective forelock to him. Time for all that to stop.
 

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