Ross Barkley joins Chelsea, er, Villa on loan

[PhilM]

Still better than Sigurdsson

A back handed compliment if I've ever saw one.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Barkley haha we had Chelsea off with this one

yes we sold Barkley for 15 million and bought Siggurdson for 40. Chelsea might sell Ross for 30 now. We were the definite winners from that one.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Still better than Sigurdsson

completely different league to Siggurdson. I didn’t like his attitude that much at times but when was Ross Barkley not a really good player?

 

[Saint Domingo]

What’s sad is he’d probably be perfect under Ancelotti in a midfield two with the responsibility to be the one who gets forward. He could go box to box, he can pass, can score from range, got skill and guile. I always thought he was wasted by Martinez with his back to goal playing effectively as a second striker at times.

 

[PhilM]

completely different league to Siggurdson. I didn’t like his attitude that much at times but when was Ross Barkley not a really good player?

Honestly, quite a lot: he has/had lots of potential in terms of ability but he's never consistently applied it for what I can determine as a multitude of reasons.

I'm not saying he is/was terrible, but he's never been the most of intelligent* of footballers and I've always stated that he's struggled to really apply this talent.

He's twenty-six and in the majority of his career has been nothing more than a top average to good player; honestly, I can't see that changing now.

*footballing intelligence: ability to play the correct ball; move into space; resilience on the pitch etc.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Honestly, quite a lot: he has/had lots of potential in terms of ability but he's never consistently applied it for what I can determine as a multitude of reasons.

I'm not saying he is/was terrible, but he's never been the most of intelligent* of footballers and I've always stated that he's struggled to really apply this talent.

He's twenty-six and in the majority of his career has been nothing more than a top average to good player; honestly, I can't see that changing now.

*footballing intelligence: ability to play the correct ball; move into space; resilience on the pitch etc.

A lot of that time was with us though under hopeless managers. He’s played well for Chelsea since he’s joined and been trusted by both Sarri and Lampard.

 

[PhilM]

A lot of that time was with us though under hopeless managers. He’s played well for Chelsea since he’s joined and been trusted by both Sarri and Lampard.

To an extent... he's gone through phases of being relegated to the bench for periods of time if he's reached the team at all.

He's not consistently not been in their first XI for this season at least nor was he under Sarri.

 

[H.H.]

Considering us and Chelsea agreed a £35m fee on transfer deadline day August 2017 only for it to fall through at the last minute, then we ended up getting just £15m when he eventually left the following January, I'd say it was us that got had off.

And also take off a couple of million from the £15 million in wasted wages as he wasn't able to play.

 

[Yarrgh]

Honestly, quite a lot: he has/had lots of potential in terms of ability but he's never consistently applied it for what I can determine as a multitude of reasons.

I'm not saying he is/was terrible, but he's never been the most of intelligent* of footballers and I've always stated that he's struggled to really apply this talent.

He's twenty-six and in the majority of his career has been nothing more than a top average to good player; honestly, I can't see that changing now.

*footballing intelligence: ability to play the correct ball; move into space; resilience on the pitch etc.

Fair assessment.

 

[mahermi1]

Thought he was going to be great, thought he was our next Rooney, he wasn't on both counts, sorry guys we've both moved on, no hard feelings now.

 

[Baines' left foot]

It’s like groundhog day every time this and the Lukaku threads get bumped

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

To an extent... he's gone through phases of being relegated to the bench for periods of time if he's reached the team at all.

He's not consistently not been in their first XI for this season at least nor was he under Sarri.

Chelsea play more games in more competitions than we do and have an overall stronger squad

Rotation is to be expected and isn't always a comment on the player in question

 

[4737carlin]

yes we sold Barkley for 15 million and bought Siggurdson for 40. Chelsea might sell Ross for 30 now. We were the definite winners from that one.

We allready had Siggy mate, Barkley was sold in 2018, we got Siggy in 2017.
However, we did get Theo a few days later, who is just as good a player, with a goal per 8 games against Barkleys goals per 7.1 games, little in it.

 

[PhilM]

Chelsea play more games in more competitions than we do and have an overall stronger squad

Rotation is to be expected and isn't always a comment on the player in question

True, however I'd ask how many really important fixtures Chelsea have started with Barkley in their XI? Is he seen as one of their primary players?

Manchester United had a big squad for example, but that doesn't automatically mean that everyone is great: there's some questionable players there.

 

[kenada_blue]

To an extent... he's gone through phases of being relegated to the bench for periods of time if he's reached the team at all.

He's not consistently not been in their first XI for this season at least nor was he under Sarri.

He played a lot under Sarri to be fair. Majority of their season was a 3 man midfield of Barkley, Jorginho, Kante - also favoured him in the League Cup final against City.

Him and Kovacic alternated