Ross Barkley

[toffeejack]

Mate you have to pay him that ( probably a bit more ). He's worth that and Everton as a club have no reason to not pay him that kind of money. Especially if they're talking about inserting a ridiculous minimum fee clause in his contract too.

I actually had this conversation with a friend of mine about another player recently. The biggest problem is that the disparity between what players at non CL clubs earn in comparison to what clubs like City, Chelsea, and United pay is simply too big for it to not effect a player's thinking. For example, lets say Everton offer Ross 80k a week, and City come along offering 160k a week plus a raft of bonuses based on success which could push it as high as 200k a week. How do Barkley, his agents, his family, say no to that. Over a 5 year deal you're talking about him losing out on nearly 15 million pounds if not more. Plus he's staying at non CL club whilst lets be real for a minute, he's good enough and should be playing in the CL.

so if you got the chance to play for your boyhood chelsea for 80k and city wanted to pay you 160k, you would honestly rather pay for bigger money than fulfil your dream?

 

[EverBlue86]

I'm not going to have an argument with you as it's an Everton forum but I think your wildly misguided about our owners and what their motives are.

And as an Everton supporter for you to say you think FFP is a good thing shows how misinformed you are about FFP. They're pulling up the drawbridge but City and Chelsea are already on the inside. All it does is make it more difficult for the next rich owner to come along and invest in a club like Everton.

I agree with that mate but in a weird way it benefits us at the moment, Kenwright has no intention to sell us so as long as FFP stops the likes of villa, Newcastle etc. From being bought by the next Arab royals then I'm relatively happy, of course when Kenwright in a box and the club actually is for sale not "investment" then ill agree!

 

[The Other Blues]

so if you got the chance to play for your boyhood chelsea for 80k and city wanted to pay you 160k, you would honestly rather pay for bigger money than fulfil your dream?

Luke Shaw the boyhood Chelsea supporter who's family and mates all have season tickets at Stamford Bridge and all live a stones throw from the ground says yes!

No seriously, we're supporters so for us it's different. At some point as a professional player that has to change. I'll tell you one thing for free though, I'd never ever pass up the opportunity to better myself professionally, no matter what emotional ties i had to my employer at the time.

 

[roydo]

No offence but I really find comments like that pretty immature. It's no different than when you took Coleman from Sligo. It's the reality of football at all levels. As I said earlier, I really hope Kenwright finds a buyer with lots of money for Everton because you are a group of supporters who deserve the kind of revolution we've seen at City. I know for a fact that back when we were selling SWP to pay the bills and to ensure that the club didn't go into administration that I'd have bitten off the hand of anyone who offered to help us keep our best players and compete by signing other top players to compliment them. Your youth academy is excellent. I'm sure secretly you'd much rather be in the position City are in so that selling Barkley wasn't even a conversation which needed to be had.

As for our owners going bust. Good luck with that. I think we're pretty lucky to have owners who ensure City still have the cheapest ST in the PL, who are investing billions not just in the club, but in the surrounding areas to help stimulate the local economy, and who have since the day they came in kept good to every promise they have made us as supporters. As I say you deserve something similar.

I know where you are coming from mate, I really do. It was meant sort of tongue in cheek. I have looked at the work your owners have done in Manchester, and they have been excellent in regenerating the area.

It was more the sense that a CL club can just click their fingers and buy whoever they want from a non CL club, (for now!), was more what I was getting at. I think FFP has one massive downside, in that it will put off the sort of people who can lob gazillions at developing a club and squad in the way you have benefited, and you are now "victims" of that, which must be frustrating.

But stick around, we have loads of non Evertonians on here, and it makes for a better discussion at times.

 

[Tubey]

When you say you have absolutely no reason to sell, that's not strictly speaking true though is it because it's based on the premise you think he'll sign a new contract. If he doesn't then you'll have every need to sell otherwise next summer he'll walk for cheap, or the summer after for free.

Also look at the valuations being placed on Pogba and Vidal (both around 50 million pounds). That shows the market value for two players who are playing a similar position to Ross and also who are proven over a longer period of time at a much higher level.

I'm not trying to make the case that Everton will sell him, or that he won't sign a contract btw. I'm here in somewhat blind hope backed up by as I said earlier the noises coming out of City that Barkley is the player they want.

It doesn't matter what Pogba and Vidal are valued at, you're talking about Ross Barkley.

I know it may be difficult to understand as there aren't many situations like this about, but imagine a 21 year old Steven Gerrard for Liverpool and an Arsenal fan coming here and going "£60m is a bit steep."

It's the same - it's not necessarily about how talented Barkley is, or his contract (although I agree if it ran down to his final year we'd have to cut our losses if he wouldn't sign) - the issue is his long term importance to the club as a local lad and what the sale would signify to the fans in terms of aspiration.

We're not in a Rooney situation where we were penniless AND useless on the pitch. This would be taking the crown jewel away from a club who have no need to sell. It'd be like taking Shearer from Newcastle, Gerrard from Liverpool, Terry from Chelsea and so on. This isn't just a decent player from "plucky little Everton".

 

[toffeejack]

Luke Shaw the boyhood Chelsea supporter who's family and mates all have season tickets at Stamford Bridge and all live a stones throw from the ground says yes!

No seriously, we're supporters so for us it's different. At some point as a professional player that has to change. I'll tell you one thing for free though, I'd never ever pass up the opportunity to better myself professionally, no matter what emotional ties i had to my employer at the time.

nothing wrong with that, a lot will fell the same. maybe ross feels differently, he's a fan after all. i'd be the opposite to you, obviously it's easy for me sitting her saying that whilst not actually being in the situation, but you only live once, it's all bits of paper at the end of the day, i can't think of things that i'd like to afford on say 160k a week that i couldn't on 80k a week.

 

[toffeejack]

It doesn't matter what Pogba and Vidal are valued at, you're talking about Ross Barkley.

I know it may be difficult to understand as there aren't many situations like this about, but imagine a 21 year old Steven Gerrard for Liverpool and an Arsenal fan coming here and going "£60m is a bit steep."

It's the same - it's not necessarily about how talented Barkley is, or his contract (although I agree if it ran down to his final year we'd have to cut our losses if he wouldn't sign) - the issue is his long term importance to the club as a local lad and what the sale would signify to the fans in terms of aspiration.

We're not in a Rooney situation where we were penniless AND useless on the pitch. This would be taking the crown jewel away from a club who have no need to sell. It'd be like taking Shearer from Newcastle, Gerrard from Liverpool, Terry from Chelsea and so on. This isn't just a decent player from "plucky little Everton".

wonder if ross would stay if we sent bullets in the post?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Mate you have to pay him that ( probably a bit more ). He's worth that and Everton as a club have no reason to not pay him that kind of money. Especially if they're talking about inserting a ridiculous minimum fee clause in his contract too.

I actually had this conversation with a friend of mine about another player recently. The biggest problem is that the disparity between what players at non CL clubs earn in comparison to what clubs like City, Chelsea, and United pay is simply too big for it to not effect a player's thinking. For example, lets say Everton offer Ross 80k a week, and City come along offering 160k a week plus a raft of bonuses based on success which could push it as high as 200k a week. How do Barkley, his agents, his family, say no to that. Over a 5 year deal you're talking about him losing out on nearly 15 million pounds if not more. Plus he's staying at non CL club whilst lets be real for a minute, he's good enough and should be playing in the CL.

Money is important and for some players it is the only thing when deciding where to go.

But other things like playing time and style, manager relationship and status within the club can also effect some players choices. Why else would Milner for example be looking to move? Or more players move to Russia/Qatar etc?

As for Shaw the money no doubt helped make his decision. But Mourinho is not known for developing youngsters or for using attacking fullbacks - as a player his talents are better suited to a Moyes/Van Gaal team.

 

[ProZ]

I'm not going to have an argument with you as it's an Everton forum but I think your wildly misguided about our owners and what their motives are.

And as an Everton supporter for you to say you think FFP is a good thing shows how misinformed you are about FFP. They're pulling up the drawbridge but City and Chelsea are already on the inside. All it does is make it more difficult for the next rich owner to come along and invest in a club like Everton.

With respect mate, you are pretty much wasting your time here, there is no way he will be leaving Everton for ATLEAST 2 or 3 years, he will sign a contract within the next few weeks, of that I have no doubt what-so-ever.

From what I gather he is not the type of person to grab for money or worry about people getting paid more than him, he just wants to play football. I am sure the club will offer him a fair deal and I'm certain he will accept it once he is back from holiday.

I would still like to believe scousers are a rare breed and we would not just sell ourselves to the highest bidder with the exception of Rooney who I believe was just a one off.


Take care cya later. Tra.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I have no doubt that Ross will sign a new contract with us very shortly.

I also have no doubt that he'll not see it out.........

 

[ically]

People need to be realistic,Football is a job to them,same as you and me,
If a better offer comes along they'll more than likely be off.

 

[ProZ]

People need to be realistic,Football is a job to them,same as you and me,
If a better offer comes along they'll more than likely be off.

Not if you are happy in your job, surroundings and location? I for one would sacrifice money for happiness.

 

[The Other Blues]

I know where you are coming from mate, I really do. It was meant sort of tongue in cheek. I have looked at the work your owners have done in Manchester, and they have been excellent in regenerating the area.

It was more the sense that a CL club can just click their fingers and buy whoever they want from a non CL club, (for now!), was more what I was getting at. I think FFP has one massive downside, in that it will put off the sort of people who can lob gazillions at developing a club and squad in the way you have benefited, and you are now "victims" of that, which must be frustrating.

But stick around, we have loads of non Evertonians on here, and it makes for a better discussion at times.

It doesn't matter what Pogba and Vidal are valued at, you're talking about Ross Barkley.

I know it may be difficult to understand as there aren't many situations like this about, but imagine a 21 year old Steven Gerrard for Liverpool and an Arsenal fan coming here and going "£60m is a bit steep."

It's the same - it's not necessarily about how talented Barkley is, or his contract (although I agree if it ran down to his final year we'd have to cut our losses if he wouldn't sign) - the issue is his long term importance to the club as a local lad and what the sale would signify to the fans in terms of aspiration.

We're not in a Rooney situation where we were penniless AND useless on the pitch. This would be taking the crown jewel away from a club who have no need to sell. It'd be like taking Shearer from Newcastle, Gerrard from Liverpool, Terry from Chelsea and so on. This isn't just a decent player from "plucky little Everton".

I totally understand the emotional argument you're making there mate. I'm not disputing it or saying that you should't make it. But when it comes to the crunch a player's emotional value to the supporters will be utterly irrelevant to his transfer fee. His transfer fee will be decided by his age, his ability, and the length of the contract he has. The rest is just window dressing.

 

[roydo]

I totally understand the emotional argument you're making there mate. I'm not disputing it or saying that you should't make it. But when it comes to the crunch a player's emotional value to the supporters will be utterly irrelevant to his transfer fee. His transfer fee will be decided by his age, his ability, and the length of the contract he has. The rest is just window dressing.

Still cant quite get over £150k a week for an 18 year old leftback. Utter insanity that, on so many levels.

 

[The Other Blues]

Still cant quite get over £150k a week for an 18 year old leftback. Utter insanity that, on so many levels.

They're a joke club run by clowns. I'm not even an Evertonian but when I read Moyes' comments last summer about how Everton need to let Baines and Fellaini go to "better their careers" I was staggered at how quickly that man had adopted the arrogance and sense of entitlement which is synonymous with that club and it's supporters. Made what happened next all the more hilarious. Must feel great having a proper coach in charge.