Ross Barkley

[roydo]

They're a joke club run by clowns. I'm not even an Evertonian but when I read Moyes' comments last summer about how Everton need to let Baines and Fellaini go to "better their careers" I was staggered at how quickly that man had adopted the arrogance and sense of entitlement which is synonymous with that club and it's supporters. Made what happened next all the more hilarious. Must feel great having a proper coach in charge.

We had some fun with that last year. I wont comment on the rest though. We have a regular United poster on here, and he seems fine. Old school.

 

[The Other Blues]

We had some fun with that last year. I wont comment on the rest though. We have a regular United poster on here, and he seems fine. Old school.

Haha. I look forward to crossing paths with him. Just bringing the conversation full circle back to Ross - I've not met a United supporter yet who isn't CERTAIN than when he leaves Everton the only place he's going is to them.

 

[roydo]

Haha. I look forward to crossing paths with him. Just bringing the conversation full circle back to Ross - I've not met a United supporter yet who isn't CERTAIN than when he leaves Everton the only place he's going is to them.

Not sure the new boss will share their certainty as it happens. Like most have said, we are pretty sure he will sign an improved deal. Not in the Utd/City league, obviously. And IF we get the players we are apparently after, we might, just might, go one better next year and offer him CL ourselves.

And that would be sweet.

 

[The Other Blues]

Not sure the new boss will share their certainty as it happens. Like most have said, we are pretty sure he will sign an improved deal. Not in the Utd/City league, obviously. And IF we get the players we are apparently after, we might, just might, go one better next year and offer him CL ourselves.

And that would be sweet.

As you probably already know, i think the key is going to be a centre forward. If you can somehow keep Lukaku or bring someone of his ilk in you'll be in with a shot. Without a player like that I think the CL is probably a step too far.

 

[roydo]

As you probably already know, i think the key is going to be a centre forward. If you can somehow keep Lukaku or bring someone of his ilk in you'll be in with a shot. Without a player like that I think the CL is probably a step too far.

Cant disagree with that.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Not if you are happy in your job, surroundings and location? I for one would sacrifice money for happiness.

Matter of scale.

There are exceptions of course, but no matter how much I love my place of business if someone came in and offered me three times my salary and the chance to work at the pinnacle of my profession I'd be hard pressed to turn it down. I want to be the best at what I do, which means I have to try it at the top level.

Footballers have that + a thousand extra reasons, such as short careers. I have 30-40 years of work overall to reach the zenith of my profession. They have about 10.

Not to mention the added sponsorship money and fame from moving to a monied club.

It's a rare man that would turn down all of that for their boyhood club, no matter how much we all wish it weren't the case.

 

[maccavennie]

As you probably already know, i think the key is going to be a centre forward. If you can somehow keep Lukaku or bring someone of his ilk in you'll be in with a shot. Without a player like that I think the CL is probably a step too far.

Negredo will do nicely In all seriousness though I don't think Ross is in any kind of mindset at this moment in time where he thinks he can demand CL football from Everton. We are a work in progress under Martinez and will get to where we want to be going in the next 12-24 months under him. I think Ross understands this and can realise a lot of his ambitions with us. IF the time comes that he feels differently then someone will be paying premium dollar for him so as far as I'm concerned the only winner will be Everton Football Club.

 

[ThebanksoftheBramleyMoore]

I'm not going to have an argument with you as it's an Everton forum but I think your wildly misguided about our owners and what their motives are.

And as an Everton supporter for you to say you think FFP is a good thing shows how misinformed you are about FFP. They're pulling up the drawbridge but City and Chelsea are already on the inside. All it does is make it more difficult for the next rich owner to come along and invest in a club like Everton.

I don't believe a lot of fans buy the tickets becuase they couldn't get a Man Utd one, will happen though just won't be that many who do because why would you go to manchester to watch footy without a Ticket, and then watch your rivals. will happen in liverpool as well if that's the case.

With the FFP your wrong though, FFP is good for us and not for reasons you may expect, we have a negative net spend. we are never going to exceed FFP anytime soon. It means the likes of QPR will have a hard time over taking us and the teams above us can't be spendingas much money as they used to. if you give us 20 million a year we would of been in the champions league by now, basing it on how we have spent our money, we have a net Spend of -£2 mil so we havn't even spent money but we havn't had £20 mil a year we have had nothing. Your right though it is a perfect design for the forming of monopolies especially in leagues where TV rights arn't shared it is as close to pulling up the draw bridge you can get.

On your Ross Barkley comments, We can't read minds so no one knows what he wants but if he wants to become one of the best players in the prem he would be a moron to go to city looking at how you treat your youth, he is Mourinho's dream big, fast, hard work ethic and technical, man city is the last team he should go to. After that he would be competing with yaya toure, nasri and silva for a place. He's 20 he needs game time not money, I believe he will probably leave but that will be when he has proven his with and is an obvious starter for the club he will go to. He seems lika a lad who wants success not money.

we was 7 points of champions leaue last season with a managers first season at the club and a complete change in style, pundits from BT sport predicted relegation for us last season, most had us at around 10th, people have been predicting lower finshes than we have for the past past 10 years. We have now got a manager who is getting rid of the small club image that was given to us by Moyes, we have won the league 4 more times than you and we have both won the FA cup 5 times if we break into the champions league monopoly and get funding from a half decent owner we will be there for a long time to come.

 

[The Other Blues]

Cant disagree with that.

Would you sell Barkley if it meant being able to buy three or four players that'd get you closer to CL qualification?

I don't believe a lot of fans buy the tickets becuase they couldn't get a Man Utd one, will happen though just won't be that many who do because why would you go to manchester to watch footy without a Ticket, and then watch your rivals. will happen in liverpool as well if that's the case.

With the FFP your wrong though, FFP is good for us and not for reasons you may expect, we have a negative net spend. we are never going to exceed FFP anytime soon. It means the likes of QPR will have a hard time over taking us and the teams above us can't be spendingas much money as they used to. if you give us 20 million a year we would of been in the champions league by now, basing it on how we have spent our money, we have a net Spend of -£2 mil so we havn't even spent money but we havn't had £20 mil a year we have had nothing. Your right though it is a perfect design for the forming of monopolies especially in leagues where TV rights arn't shared it is as close to pulling up the draw bridge you can get.

On your Ross Barkley comments, We can't read minds so no one knows what he wants but if he wants to become one of the best players in the prem he would be a moron to go to city looking at how you treat your youth, he is Mourinho's dream big, fast, hard work ethic and technical, man city is the last team he should go to. After that he would be competing with yaya toure, nasri and silva for a place. He's 20 he needs game time not money, I believe he will probably leave but that will be when he has proven his with and is an obvious starter for the club he will go to. He seems lika a lad who wants success not money.

we was 7 points of champions leaue last season with a managers first season at the club and a complete change in style, pundits from BT sport predicted relegation for us last season, most had us at around 10th, people have been predicting lower finshes than we have for the past past 10 years. We have now got a manager who is getting rid of the small club image that was given to us by Moyes, we have won the league 4 more times than you and we have both won the FA cup 5 times if we break into the champions league monopoly and get funding from a half decent owner we will be there for a long time to come.

Your FFP argument about why it's good for you is premised on the idea that you don't actually want to get any better than you currently are.

Your comments about City not being a good place for Ross are your opinion. I would respectfully beg to differ. I would think he is far more likely to develop into the player he has the potential to be playing alongside and learning from players like Yaya Toure and Nasri and Silva than he is being the best player at Everton and being the biggest fish in the pond. I do agree that he needs to be playing almost every week, but I also happen to think he needs to be doing that without the pressure of playing for his boyhood club where the expectation internally will be huge and the future constantly uncertain.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Would you sell Barkley if it meant being able to buy three or four players that'd get you closer to CL qualification?


Your FFP argument about why it's good for you is premised on the idea that you don't actually want to get any better than you currently are.

Your comments about City not being a good place for Ross are your opinion. I would respectfully beg to differ. I would think he is far more likely to develop into the player he has the potential to be playing alongside and learning from players like Yaya Toure and Nasri and Silva than he is being the best player at Everton and being the biggest fish in the pond. I do agree that he needs to be playing almost every week, but I also happen to think he needs to be doing that without the pressure of playing for his boyhood club where the expectation internally will be huge and the future constantly uncertain.

You're overrating him as well. You are seeing what he will be and assuming he's there.

Look. I love Ross. But he's not our best player. He's not even our best midfielder currently. He honestly doesn't even have the highest ceiling. He looks like he could become a world beater, but this is Everton, not a Championship team.

Mirallas, Coleman, Baines, and McCarthy are all currently better than him.

Stones has the most potential.

He's really at a perfect club for development. He's not on the pitch with a load of old crap, nor is he on the bench behind the best in the world. He's on the pitch with a bunch of people that are currently around his skill level, some because they have the experience but not the talent, others because they have the talent and not the experience.

He's only 20, and he makes loads of poor choices. That will work itself out and he'll be super ace. It won't be worked on on City's bench though.

 

[Tubey]

Would you sell Barkley if it meant being able to buy three or four players that'd get you closer to CL qualification?


Your FFP argument about why it's good for you is premised on the idea that you don't actually want to get any better than you currently are.

Your comments about City not being a good place for Ross are your opinion. I would respectfully beg to differ. I would think he is far more likely to develop into the player he has the potential to be playing alongside and learning from players like Yaya Toure and Nasri and Silva than he is being the best player at Everton and being the biggest fish in the pond. I do agree that he needs to be playing almost every week, but I also happen to think he needs to be doing that without the pressure of playing for his boyhood club where the expectation internally will be huge and the future constantly uncertain.

Yeah that Jack Rodwell lad has done wondrous stuff since leaving plucky little Everton for the oil rich juggernaughts of Man City...

 

[roydo]

Would you sell Barkley if it meant being able to buy three or four players that'd get you closer to CL qualification?


Your FFP argument about why it's good for you is premised on the idea that you don't actually want to get any better than you currently are.

Your comments about City not being a good place for Ross are your opinion. I would respectfully beg to differ. I would think he is far more likely to develop into the player he has the potential to be playing alongside and learning from players like Yaya Toure and Nasri and Silva than he is being the best player at Everton and being the biggest fish in the pond. I do agree that he needs to be playing almost every week, but I also happen to think he needs to be doing that without the pressure of playing for his boyhood club where the expectation internally will be huge and the future constantly uncertain.

No guarantees it would mean that. Spurs spring to mind. We dont need to sell anyone to buy at the moment, so I would rather get CL with Ross still here. That might be a romantic, old fashioned view, but that would be my preference.

We have 2 routes into it. The league, or the EL. Top 4 might be beyond us, but that depends more on United than anything I believe.

Now if a stupid bid came in, and Martinez was guaranteed the whole lot for players, it would a horrible decision to make TBH.

 

[The Other Blues]

No guarantees it would mean that. Spurs spring to mind. We dont need to sell anyone to buy at the moment, so I would rather get CL with Ross still here. That might be a romantic, old fashioned view, but that would be my preference.

We have 2 routes into it. The league, or the EL. Top 4 might be beyond us, but that depends more on United than anything I believe.

Now if a stupid bid came in, and Martinez was guaranteed the whole lot for players, it would a horrible decision to make TBH.

Oh I agree there's no guarantees but equally the Spurs scenario was different in that they had a DoF buying players that the manager didn't want. I would expect Martinez would do a far better job with 80 million to spend (50 from any sale of Barkley plus the 30 million extra from this summer's tv money) than Spurs did.

You make an excellent point about the EL and one i hadn't considered. It's definitely a fantastic route for a club like Everton to get into the CL. Honestly and I'm not just saying this, I'd be hard pressed if I was an Evertonian to make a call between selling to reinvest and keeping Ross. The fees being quoted would give you a once in a blue moon opportunity to go and buy three or four top players at 20 million pounds plus a piece.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Oh I agree there's no guarantees but equally the Spurs scenario was different in that they had a DoF buying players that the manager didn't want. I would expect Martinez would do a far better job with 80 million to spend (50 from any sale of Barkley plus the 30 million extra from this summer's tv money) than Spurs did.

You make an excellent point about the EL and one i hadn't considered. It's definitely a fantastic route for a club like Everton to get into the CL. Honestly and I'm not just saying this, I'd be hard pressed if I was an Evertonian to make a call between selling to reinvest and keeping Ross. The fees being quoted would give you a once in a blue moon opportunity to go and buy three or four top players at 20 million pounds plus a piece.

Eh, the money would probably get lost down the back of the sofa cushions anyway.

 

[The Other Blues]

Eh, the money would probably get lost down the back of the sofa cushions anyway.

I didn't want to bring up whether you lot trust Kenwright to give Martinez the money to spend. However you also have to accept that if you don't think he would give him the money to improve the team, then it's also likely that he'd actually want to sell the player because then clearly money to him would be more important than improving the team.