onlyme
Player Valuation: £10m
I think you misunderstood, what if HE decides he will see out his contract. Come January he could sign a pre contact.
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meagher94
Player Valuation: £35m
Tbf we weren't in any other competitions for long were we? In the PL his stats have improved quite a bit.
He's still just a good player though. Nothing special. Would prefer him to stay of course coz he's one of us but he's easily replaceable.
McBain
Player Valuation: £80m
Do you mean the player who has already decided to leave or the one fannying about over a new deal?
If you can't see that he is trying to cajole one into signing while deciding not to tarnish the one who has already made the decision, more fool to you.
Did you even think that by playing soundbites about Barkley, decision made or not he is setting the stage for the fans to either be a. let down gently or b. creating a slightly more historic moment with pen to paper?
The theatrics of this is lost on you Tubes.
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1. That's not all competitions
2. Chances created and key passes are vague stats which in grand scale of things mean very little. If you buy into those stats then he's better than Silva and a host of other top names.
3. You just need two functioning eyes to see he is not as much of an offensive threat as he used to be.
Too much obsession with vague stats nowadays, this isn't American football.
I'm not arsed about Judas's stats here, just pointed you towards that as it is the picture in question.
Bet @mkrudden has something to say about your post tho.
Let down gently? How does that work?
If he had kept silent about all this, we could have sold the player and disclosed at that point that the player rejected a contract - job done, everyone understands. Doing it this way gets the back up of a player who won't sign a deal by some stupid deadline even if he wanted to because why would he do so and be perceived to be bending over to Koeman's ego?
Cajole behind the scenes as a professional; don't embarrass and pressure a player for absolutely zero reason whatsoever.
There certainly is some hypocrisy from Koeman but that doesn't change the fact that Everton need Ross to make up his mind. We can't afford to let this drag on all summer and there's no way we can allow Barkley to play out the final year of his contract and leave on a free.
Everton have made a decision regarding how much Barkley is worth and have decided that he's replaceable. They may be willing to compromise a bit but I would guess the two sides are far apart at this point. I still think he'll be back but I don't think Everton are going to back down much.
NilSatisOptimum
Player Valuation: £70m
Sounds to me that Koemen was suggesting there was difficulties around competition and Everton will be signing players in Barkley's favoured posistion whatever the outcome.
That's absolutely fine mate - I'm not saying let him run down the contract. I'm saying just sell him after keeping things professional then, instead of the manager having a massive ego gob and turning the fans against a player who has quite literally said or done nothing to anyone and simply got on with his contracted job.
McBain
Player Valuation: £80m
Barkley is a home grown superstar.
He leaves all of a sudden and you'll throw your arms up in the air and blame everyone except the payer. We got a Boss that don't mess around. You want to play for the club, sign a deal. You don't? It's the Highway for you Pal.
Protecting these over pampered players makes a weak team, as we have seen. Barkley should be embarrassed if he doesn't want to play for us.
What about that is so wrong?
Fail to see the hypocrisy
Scenario 1 - player enters his last year, he either signs or we sell to get value and prevent him walking away for nothing.
Scenario 2 - player has 2 years to go, will still get good wedge now or in 12 months. Our best player.
He's not asking Barkley to talk in the press, he's telling him either to sign a contract or be sold. In 12 months he'd be doing the same to any other player, who had only 12 months left on their contract.
Problem with us is that we are emotionally involved, players are not. Once a blue, I'll go follow the glory and wedge. As would anyone else in any job anywhere in the world.
As I've just said, what's wrong about it is doing it in public. And no, I don't buy the "all of a sudden and we'll panic" argument - not one bit. If we sold Barkley, then at that point explained he refused a contract over three months beforehand, then it's common sense why we sold him. But the difference would be that we hadn't embarrassed the player for a month before he left and put him in a corner, turning the fans against him.
Those saying Koeman hasn't villified him? Look at this thread - "call yourself an Evertonian?", "a home grown superstar doing this?", "bang out of order" and so on - all because Koeman has publicised this nonsense when the player is under contract and just getting on with his job.
Who's to say he doesn't want to play for us? You don't know that. Barkley hasn't said it, his agent hasn't said it - all you're going on is Koeman's big trap, and that's the point; if Koeman had shut up and been professional, this thread doesn't have the above content.
How do you know that Barkley and his agent aren't simply waiting for the season to end to discuss a new deal? He signed in July in 2014 - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/29/ross-barkley-everton-new-contract-manchester-united - maybe his policy, like a professional and like I'd do it, is that he want to concentrate on football when there's still football to be played?
But no - because of one person alone - Ronald Koeman - Barkley is now a Judas who, even if he signs a new contract, will be perceived as doing so as a mercenary.
Bang out of line from Koeman, the whole thing.
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[QUOTE="McBain, post: 5465471, member: 19]You want to play for the club, sign a deal. You don't? It's the Highway for you Pal.[/QUOTE]
Good thing he's a hypocrite and hasnt applied this logic to Lukaku.
"we only want players who want to be here"
2 minutes later in the interview
"We want to keep rom at the club"
Good thing he's a hypocrite and hasnt applied this logic to Lukaku.
"we only want players who want to be here"
2 minutes later in the interview
"We want to keep rom at the club"
diggerdestroyer
Player Valuation: £40m
Dont think he would be able to goodison if he tried some crap like that.
That would definitely be a less antagonistic approach but I can sort of see why Koeman would do it this way. Perhaps he thinks that making things public will get the supporters to put pressure on Barkley to sign. Another thing it does is draws a firm line in the sand, basically saying "This is our stance. Everyone knows it now. The ball's in your court."
It's a tough negotiating tactic, especially considering Barkley's connections to the club and city. I hope it turns out well.
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