Ross Barkley

Status
Not open for further replies.
I know some people don't rate stats but....there are 2 major stats based ranking systems. All football clubs use them to evaluate players. The 2 main ones are Squawka and WhoScored.

On Whoscored Barkley was the 5th highest English player in Europe. His performance rating was equal to James Rodriguez and Pierre-emerick Aubameyang last season. His last 10 games or so dragged down his average massively.

On squawka he was the 19th best player in Europe - and the third best midfielder - behind only Ozil and Hamsik.

Barkley, stats wise, is an elite level midfielder. 22, Evertonian, enjoy it.

Great post mate. I think people forget just how good Ross's stats were at the start of the season. In part because we want to knock him and in part because he ended the season poorly.

He scored over 10 goals and made similar numbers of assists in domestic competitions. They are seriously impressive stats, even more so given he fell away in the past 10 games (when it looked like he would kick on post Newcastle).

Last season ended miserably. It was the worst Everton team I'd ever seen. What is curious about the season though is at times in the opening half of the season we were as dominant as I'd ever seen us. Sunderland, Villa, Norwich spring to mind and 3 games where we just dominated teams. Had we wanted to in each of those games we could have scored 8 or 9.

You then throw in Chelsea, Southampton & Bournemouth where we scored for fun. It's easy to forget those games were within a 10 game spell. I said at the time had that form continued we were a Southall and a Watson (in their prime) away from being serious title contenders.

The point is much like Ross our season is tainted by an understanding if a little unrealistic revisionism. This is not a defence of Martinez, but we attacked brilliantly and started by being a little naive and by half way we were dreadful.

Ross was at the centre of that.

Around December he had a similar goals/assists to games ratio as Marhez. Had Lukaku continued his form (and not dropped off in the last 10 games) he would have been alongside Vardy/Kane. Deulofeu was up their with Ozil for assists.

How we managed to mess that up is beyond me. As I said though Ross was central to that. He tailed away but the lad is every bit as good as Payet and 7 years younger.
 

The fact that Roy invited Wilshere to the tournament baffles me more than anything. Same could be said for Rashford

It shows to me there is no consistency to Hodgson's thinking other than desperate weak pragmatism and knee jerking.

If I was a lad like Deeney, Defoe, Dann, Noble, Drinkwater etc who had put in a great shift this season and not got a look in while Wiltshire, Sterling, Cahill & Rashford get opportunities you would question what the point is.

People wonder why England underachieve and it's because there isn't a meritocracy involved. People take 1 look at the above set of names, and because they are not sexy, have great stats on Fifa and play for a well supported team they are not considered.

It's that that annoys me really. I could live with Barkley not playing, and Stones/Jagielka/Baines. But not when they are left out so the manager can placate the milieu of cretins the underpin the Ingerland set up.

Hodgson prioritises "England form" (albeit inconsistently as if so where are Baines, Jagielka & Barkley who have all played well for England in their last 6-7 games). However the problem with this is that if you take the last 10 games, it's not like in the premier league where you are discussing the last 2 months, you are going back 2 years.

There is a very stubborn streak to Hodgson though and a fundamental nastiness in the way he views players who he sees as below him. Little snidy put downs he gives which are unnecessary. I think he took Wiltshire to spite people just as I think he has dropped Barkley to spite Evertonians who have pointed out he is a far better talent than Sterling.
 
Great post mate. I think people forget just how good Ross's stats were at the start of the season. In part because we want to knock him and in part because he ended the season poorly.

He scored over 10 goals and made similar numbers of assists in domestic competitions. They are seriously impressive stats, even more so given he fell away in the past 10 games (when it looked like he would kick on post Newcastle).

Last season ended miserably. It was the worst Everton team I'd ever seen. What is curious about the season though is at times in the opening half of the season we were as dominant as I'd ever seen us. Sunderland, Villa, Norwich spring to mind and 3 games where we just dominated teams. Had we wanted to in each of those games we could have scored 8 or 9.

You then throw in Chelsea, Southampton & Bournemouth where we scored for fun. It's easy to forget those games were within a 10 game spell. I said at the time had that form continued we were a Southall and a Watson (in their prime) away from being serious title contenders.

The point is much like Ross our season is tainted by an understanding if a little unrealistic revisionism. This is not a defence of Martinez, but we attacked brilliantly and started by being a little naive and by half way we were dreadful.

Ross was at the centre of that.

Around December he had a similar goals/assists to games ratio as Marhez. Had Lukaku continued his form (and not dropped off in the last 10 games) he would have been alongside Vardy/Kane. Deulofeu was up their with Ozil for assists.

How we managed to mess that up is beyond me. As I said though Ross was central to that. He tailed away but the lad is every bit as good as Payet and 7 years younger.
I think it's pretty simple as to how we messed up, we couldn't defend. Eventually that has a negative impact on confidence and belief in your ability to win games.

I agree with you about Barkley I had him in my fantasy football team and he was regularly picking up points, I remember having a conversation with my mate who is a Liverpool supporter and he didn't believe me about Barkley being one of top 6 midfielders in the premier league, then he had a look and was a bit surprised. He's suffered because of the dreadful form Everton had over the last three months of the season. I also think there's a lot more to come from him if he gets coached properly. Hodgson is a not a good manager and he's picked a very unbalanced squad. How there are three Liverpool midfielders in there I don't know because I don't rate any of them.
 
I think it's pretty simple as to how we messed up, we couldn't defend. Eventually that has a negative impact on confidence and belief in your ability to win games.

I agree with you about Barkley I had him in my fantasy football team and he was regularly picking up points, I remember having a conversation with my mate who is a Liverpool supporter and he didn't believe me about Barkley being one of top 6 midfielders in the premier league, then he had a look and was a bit surprised. He's suffered because of the dreadful form Everton had over the last three months of the season. I also think there's a lot more to come from him if he gets coached properly. Hodgson is a not a good manager and he's picked a very unbalanced squad. How there are three Liverpool midfielders in there I don't know because I don't rate any of them.
He was in the top midfielders in a lot of fantasy leagues.

Yet when he got in the England squad, a number of ex players and journos and presenters on talk sport. All saying how lucky he was after a poor season. Just makes you laugh how these people who get paid good money have such poor football knowledge
 
...who have pointed out he is a far better talent than Sterling.

There are players in league 2 who are a better talent than Sterling.

"there isn't a meritocracy involved" - 100% this is England all over, it should be under the 3 lions badge.

It's been the same for as long as I can remember, which just implies to me that whoever the England manager is at any given time, is not left to choose his own squad. Sub-standard players of the Milner and Sterling ilk have been in or around England squads for about 20 years now.
 

hodgsons a massivve hypocrite tbh,
use barkley to replicate bale (one of the best attacking players in europe, if not the world) in training, yet alli whose been poor starts ahead of him?
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Everton manager Ronald Koeman will take a tough approach with Ross Barkley as he sets about improving the England prodigy
  • Ronald Koeman was appointed as the new Everton boss on Tuesday
  • The Dutchman admires Ross Barkley and wants to improve the 22-year-old
  • Barkley has been out of form with Everton and is out of favour with England
  • Koeman is looking forward to working with the Wavertree-born attacker
By JOE BERNSTEIN FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY

PUBLISHED: 22:37, 18 June 2016 | UPDATED: 23:30, 18 June 2016

Everton's new straight-talking manager Ronald Koeman will end the sugar-coated approach of his predecessor Roberto Martinez and demand more from the club's talented but frustrating young England international Ross Barkley.

Barkley's form dipped alarmingly in the second half of last season and he hasn't been called upon yet by Roy Hodgson at Euro 2016.

Many blamed Martinez's relentless positivity towards Barkley – once hailing him as potentially the best English player of all-time – as doing the 22-year-old few favours.

3567E51F00000578-0-image-a-13_1466278976000.jpg


Ronald Koeman is keen to get to work with Ross Barkley but wants to see improvement in his game

35665F5700000578-0-image-a-15_1466278999064.jpg


The Everton boss signed a three-year-deal with the club on Tuesday after two years with Southampton

356626C100000578-0-image-a-17_1466279023173.jpg


The 53-year-old Dutchman is not one to mince his words and will be firm with everyone, not just Barkley

Koeman, straight out of the Dutch school of searing honesty, has promised a different approach both in front of his players at training, and in talking to the club's supporters via the media.

'That is my character, I don't like to lie or even make the picture nicer than the picture is,' he says.

'If we play bad, we play bad. I think that is the way to win. Put ambition and high standards to everybody.'

Martinez became mocked for his half-glass full assessments of matches and his failure in training to demand more of the young players like Barkley, John Stones and Romelu Lukaku grated with senior professionals including Phil Jagielka, Leighton Baines, Leon Osman and Tony Hibbert.

Koeman is aware of Barkley – the midfielder ran the show when Everton beat Southampton 3-0 at St Mary's last season – but thinks it's time to stop treating him like a kid.

'He's already a key player for Everton, even at a young age. I look forward to working with him and making him a better player,' said Koeman, who starred for Barcelona and Holland in his career.

'I like him as a player because he is good with his left foot, right foot and has a good view of the pitch. But he needs to improve, he is not just a talent any more he is a national team player and expectations are strong.

'We will give him every support. It is about building a good relationship with the players, showing them what they have to do to improve. It starts in the morning and finishes in the evening.

355D331900000578-0-image-a-20_1466279102191.jpg


Barkley started last season excellently but went off the boil and has not figured for England at the Euros

'I am a nice man in the press, in the dressing-room, sometimes different. You need to be critical if you have reason but most of the time, you keep that inside the club.'

Barkley could be given an early chance to impress his new club boss if he is called upon by Hodgson for England's final group game against Slovakia tomorrow (Monday).

Everton chairman Bill Kenwright and new owner Farhad Moshiri will be delighted to have secured someone of Koeman's strength and stature to compete with the likes of Jose Mourinho, Pep Guardiola, and in particular Jurgen Klopp across Stanley Park.

Kenwright was a huge personal admirer of Martinez but it was generally accepted within the club that the Spaniard had lost his grip on the dressing-room and some of his statements – predicting Lukaku could become the greatest player in the world – looked increasingly bizarre.

In contrast, Koeman backs himself to win any argument and is prepared to be confrontational to stick up for his club.

356898CB00000578-0-image-a-23_1466279504471.jpg


Koeman was Everton's first choice to replace Roberto Martinez, who was sacked in May

He once famously refused to shake hands with Sheffield United manager Nigel Clough after a stormy Capital One Cup night at Bramall Lane that saw Blades No2 Chris Morgan sent to the stands as Southampton crashed out.

Koeman said then he only shook hands with rivals who respected him and the officials, and now reveals: 'My criticism was good because the son of Clough later came to our hotel and apologised for the behaviour of that Sheffield technical team.'

The bluntness is about to return to Everton and it'll be the making or breaking of the gifted Barkley.
 

I know some people don't rate stats but....there are 2 major stats based ranking systems. All football clubs use them to evaluate players. The 2 main ones are Squawka and WhoScored.

On Whoscored Barkley was the 5th highest English player in Europe. His performance rating was equal to James Rodriguez and Pierre-emerick Aubameyang last season. His last 10 games or so dragged down his average massively.

On squawka he was the 19th best player in Europe - and the third best midfielder - behind only Ozil and Hamsik.

Barkley, stats wise, is an elite level midfielder. 22, Evertonian, enjoy it.
My problem with rating systems is there are some things that are very difficult to quantify that are very important in football. Things like setting the tempo and playing with confidence can't have numbers attached to them. However... I agree with your overall point about Barkley. He has massive potential and with the right guidance can get to the very top.
 
Koeman could be just what Ross needs, a disciplined manager who's a winner, could be the making of him next year, that and a fitness coach and laying off the weights.
 

Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join Grand Old Team to get involved in the Everton discussion. Signing up is quick, easy, and completely free.

Shop

Back
Top