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2017/18 Ross Barkley

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yakublue said:
Why wouldn't they want him. He's young and they'll get him for basically nothing because he's got 6 months left on his contract. They'd be stupid not to buy him even if it's just to sell him again for proper money.

That's why he's a snake.
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Well then why don't loads of other clubs want him? Couldn't City or Arsenal buy him to sell him on too? There's been no vague paper speculation about them though so they mustn't want him.
 
I cannot believe that some of you really think Roscoe is this aggressive, take guys on, attacking midfielder. He's not. Most of us want him to be just that - Koeman more than anyone ironically - but he's been far from it for some time now.
 
CRIMHEAD said:
I cannot believe that some of you really think Roscoe is this aggressive, take guys on, attacking midfielder. He's not. Most of us want him to be just that - Koeman more than anyone ironically - but he's been far from it for some time now.
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He's definitely not that sort of player, however I do think we saw a maturity to his game last season as a more rounded midfielder. Better ball retention and showed a creative side that we badly lack now due to our £45m playmaker being a bit of a coward. I'm thinking his through ball for Davies against Hull to set up DCL's first goal, and cross against Leicester right on Lukaku's head from basically the touch line. He's not a player that's going to run from 20 yards inside his own half and score like against Newcastle in his first season though.
 

mikeh72 said:
He's definitely not that sort of player, however I do think we saw a maturity to his game last season as a more rounded midfielder. Better ball retention and showed a creative side that we badly lack now due to our £45m playmaker being a bit of a coward. I'm thinking his through ball for Davies against Hull to set up DCL's first goal, and cross against Leicester right on Lukaku's head from basically the touch line. He's not a player that's going to run from 20 yards inside his own half and score like against Newcastle in his first season though.
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Agreed, but when you have the ball 80% of the time, you better have a creative moment or two. His problem is that most of that time is 60 yards from the goal tapping it around with our 28 defensive midfielders. My hope is that he felt compelled to do that because the rest of our midfield and squad wasn't very good.

The coward is a totally different player that did a lot more than Ross with much fewer touches because he actually plays wherever the manager wants him. The coward almost singlehandedly kept his side up and ran more than anyone else in the entire league. Ross the brave cries when the fans boo, refuses to play the way the big, bad mean manager asks, and thinks he's a bloody 6 or an 8, yet couldn't tackle or mark my grandmother.

I'm hopeful a new manager and the better surrounding personnel can get the best our if Ross. He and Siggy could form the type of Eriksen / Alli partnership that could really change this team's fortunes. But if he's going to tune out the new manager, he can sit in Spurs bench for all I care.
 
CRIMHEAD said:
Agreed, but when you have the ball 80% of the time, you better have a creative moment or two. His problem is that most of that time is 60 yards from the goal tapping it around with our 28 defensive midfielders. My hope is that he felt compelled to do that because the rest of our midfield and squad wasn't very good.

The coward is a totally different player that did a lot more than Ross with much fewer touches because he actually plays wherever the manager wants him. The coward almost singlehandedly kept his side up and ran more than anyone else in the entire league. Ross the brave cries when the fans boo, refuses to play the way the big, bad mean manager asks, and thinks he's a bloody 6 or an 8, yet couldn't tackle or mark my grandmother.

I'm hopeful a new manager and the better surrounding personnel can get the best our if Ross. He and Siggy could form the type of Eriksen / Alli partnership that could really change this team's fortunes. But if he's going to tune out the new manager, he can sit in Spurs bench for all I care.
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I have to stop you there tbh mate because I haven't seen any of that.

Listen, there aren't that many people that can look objectively at what Barkley offers, he's either beyond criticism and lauded as one of the best players in the world, or utterly crap and overrated, there's no objective middle ground with a lot of our fans. I don't think for a second he gets in Spurs' strongest team because they have Eriksen and Alli, and their sub/bench options like Son and Winks will get a game before him. I am however capable of looking at the situation we're in right now and acknowledging without a shadow of a doubt, that he walks into our team ahead of spaghetti legs and makes us a better team.
 
CRIMHEAD said:
Agreed, but when you have the ball 80% of the time, you better have a creative moment or two. His problem is that most of that time is 60 yards from the goal tapping it around with our 28 defensive midfielders. My hope is that he felt compelled to do that because the rest of our midfield and squad wasn't very good.

The coward is a totally different player that did a lot more than Ross with much fewer touches because he actually plays wherever the manager wants him. The coward almost singlehandedly kept his side up and ran more than anyone else in the entire league. Ross the brave cries when the fans boo, refuses to play the way the big, bad mean manager asks, and thinks he's a bloody 6 or an 8, yet couldn't tackle or mark my grandmother.

I'm hopeful a new manager and the better surrounding personnel can get the best our if Ross. He and Siggy could form the type of Eriksen / Alli partnership that could really change this team's fortunes. But if he's going to tune out the new manager, he can sit in Spurs bench for all I care.
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Because he had to, they played to his strengths, and most of that running was defensive.

With us he has to stand up and be counted because someone else will take his place.
 
mikeh72 said:
I have to stop you there tbh mate because I haven't seen any of that.

Listen, there aren't that many people that can look objectively at what Barkley offers, he's either beyond criticism and lauded as one of the best players in the world, or utterly crap and overrated, there's no objective middle ground with a lot of our fans. I don't think for a second he gets in Spurs' strongest team because they have Eriksen and Alli, and their sub/bench options like Son and Winks will get a game before him. I am however capable of looking at the situation we're in right now and acknowledging without a shadow of a doubt, that he walks into our team ahead of spaghetti legs and makes us a better team.
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You not think the reason people like me say he's over rated , is because people are (like you said) he's one of the best in the world . I know they don't actually say those words but there are countless posts saying he was one of the best in the prem and comparing him to scholes,Gerard and lampard
 

Tel001 said:
You not think the reason people like me say he's over rated , is because people are (like you said) he's one of the best in the world . I know they don't actually say those words but there are countless posts saying he was one of the best in the prem and comparing him to scholes,Gerard and lampard
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Yeah it probably is, but I don't think that's reason enough to just go the complete polar opposite to them and write him off as crap. Does he have crap games sometimes, yes absolutely. And I think he's far too mollycoddled and protected by some people who like to weirdly blame the fans whenever he has a bad game. But we are pretty poor right now on the pitch, and a fit Barkley sure would offer us more than Sigurdsson.
 
mikeh72 said:
Yeah it probably is, but I don't think that's reason enough to just go the complete polar opposite to them and write him off as crap. Does he have crap games sometimes, yes absolutely. And I think he's far too mollycoddled and protected by some people who like to weirdly blame the fans whenever he has a bad game. But we are pretty poor right now on the pitch, and a fit Barkley sure would offer us more than Sigurdsson.
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I have said many times I don't hate Barkley I just don't rate him. Obviously he's good enough to get into other prem teams and isn't a championship player . So I agree calling him crap is probably not accurate. But he does play crap and rarely does he put in decent performances and really lacks effort... which is my main gripe with him
 

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