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Jib in lad
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Maybe the yanks hacked into the guidance system.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Would have hit the Kremlin.
Jib in lad
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Ha ha that might of been a bit to obvious.
tsubaki
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Iran and the Russians have been working incredibly closely over this support for Assad, there won't be any falling out over some cruise missiles going astray (and that is assuming the story is true in the first place).
dandydan
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Good! I hate hipsters.
gianthogweed
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I don't listen to the western media they will demonize any nation that does not follow the Americans like blind sheep into the abyss
the United Kingdom should be siding with our European colleagues and keep Assad in power, who do they have in mind to replace him
moderate freedom fighters what is moderate ? moderate today insane later, just like Osama they backed him and his mates back in the 80's look how that one turned out.. look at Iraq what a mess that turned into
As for Cameron we want Assad out who is he speaking for when he says we us or the Americans i never voted for that tw@t so he certainly ain't speaking for me
the United Kingdom should be siding with our European colleagues and keep Assad in power, who do they have in mind to replace him
moderate freedom fighters what is moderate ? moderate today insane later, just like Osama they backed him and his mates back in the 80's look how that one turned out.. look at Iraq what a mess that turned into
As for Cameron we want Assad out who is he speaking for when he says we us or the Americans i never voted for that tw@t so he certainly ain't speaking for me
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
An interesting take on the mobilising of the Russian state and the bringing up the threat of Islamic 'Nazism'.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-deba...-syria-but-nazi-comparisons-fail-to-convince/
Putin rehashes Ukraine rhetoric on Syria, but Nazi comparisons fail to convince.
It took only one sitting for Russia’s upper house of parliament to fall into line, and approve Russian military action in Syria — just like it had done a year before in Ukraine. The Russian Orthodox Church was equally quick to declare President Vladimir Putin’s fight against “terrorism” in Syria “holy,” adding spiritual to governmental blessing of Putin’s military adventure in Syria.
Before bombing started, nearly 70 percent of Russians opposed direct Russian military involvement in Syria. Since then, Putin has relied on a holy trinity of the parliament, Church and media to help make his appetite for war more palatable to his people. But Syria is not Ukraine, and talk of Nazis and protecting the “Russian world” are less plausible to justify military action in Syria. Though opposition is scant, Putin’s rhetoric — combined with imperial overreach into the Middle East — risks shaking the hold on power that made it easy for him to send troops to Syria in the first place.
Since the start of his third term, Putin has fostered a close alliance with the Church, relying on it to champion his decisions in overwhelmingly Orthodox-identifying Russia. Religious justifications for actions have become an increasingly important part of Putin’s propaganda strategy at home. Last year Putin justified annexing Crimea by declaring it “sacred” and “like the Temple Mount in Jerusalem for Muslims and Jews” — despite the fact it was only incorporated into the Russian Empire in 1783.
Russian media has been adding to the religious connection by applying the same arguments it used to support separatists in Ukraine. The loosely-defined “Russian world” that the Russian media claimed to include parts of Ukraine has now been expanded to make room for Syria. On a Russian debate program a member of Russian parliament, Semyon Bagdasarov, argued that there was “no Orthodoxy or Russia without Syria” and that the historical tradition of Orthodoxy in now-Muslim-majority Syria makes it a “holy land” for Russians and “their” land.
In his weekly televised monologue Dmitry Kiselyov, head of the government-owned news agency Rossiya Segodnya, linked Russia’s military actions in Syria to the Soviet’s Union’s fight against Nazi Germany. He has made similar comparisons before, accusing Ukraine’s pro-Western government of being a fascist junta that needed to be opposed like Hitler’s Germany. This time he referred to Putin’s claim that the Islamic State posed a Nazi-like threat and required a similar coalition of opponents, calling it a “very precise” rationale for bombing Syria.
Russian media, however, seemed to reach new levels of absurdity when one anchorgave a weather report for Syria, emphasizing that the low winds and minimal precipitation had made October an ideal time for Russian airstrikes. The message seemed to be that even the weather was cooperating with Russian military intervention in Syria.
Many of the people justifying Russia’s involvement in Syria are playing to a system that requires and rewards supporting Putin’s actions once he has declared them. As Putin has re-centralized power in Russia, most governmental, media and civil society organizations function first and foremost to support him.
“There is no political elite,” said Mikhail Fishman, Editor-in-Chief of Slon magazine in an interview for Internet news network Hromadske International. “There is just one decision, and when the decision is made the political elite just stand behind it.” They are all “branches of the same political organism called Putin or the Kremlin,” Fishman said.
To consolidate his power, Putin has worked to hollow out government and civil society organizations. In doing so, he has made Russia a closed circuit that does not accept feedback and does not tolerate dissent. The centralization of power allows for swift displays of military force — like the rolling out of troops and airstrikes in days — and is frightening because of its ability to justify military action anywhere in the world.
But the centralization of power has also made the state structure extremely brittle. The one-way flow of information prevents feedback about what is not working. Putin may be using many of the same arguments in Syria he used a year ago in Ukraine, but Russia is no longer the same country. Russians continues to be unenthusiastic about military involvement in Syria, the Russian economy is in recession with nearly 16 percent inflation, and Putin has been paying for these wars by taking money frompension funds. The institutions that now only function to rubber stamp Putin’s decisions cannot address these problems, and conjuring Nazis and tracing Russian society back to Syria won’t make these facts go away.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-deba...-syria-but-nazi-comparisons-fail-to-convince/
Putin rehashes Ukraine rhetoric on Syria, but Nazi comparisons fail to convince.
It took only one sitting for Russia’s upper house of parliament to fall into line, and approve Russian military action in Syria — just like it had done a year before in Ukraine. The Russian Orthodox Church was equally quick to declare President Vladimir Putin’s fight against “terrorism” in Syria “holy,” adding spiritual to governmental blessing of Putin’s military adventure in Syria.
Before bombing started, nearly 70 percent of Russians opposed direct Russian military involvement in Syria. Since then, Putin has relied on a holy trinity of the parliament, Church and media to help make his appetite for war more palatable to his people. But Syria is not Ukraine, and talk of Nazis and protecting the “Russian world” are less plausible to justify military action in Syria. Though opposition is scant, Putin’s rhetoric — combined with imperial overreach into the Middle East — risks shaking the hold on power that made it easy for him to send troops to Syria in the first place.
Since the start of his third term, Putin has fostered a close alliance with the Church, relying on it to champion his decisions in overwhelmingly Orthodox-identifying Russia. Religious justifications for actions have become an increasingly important part of Putin’s propaganda strategy at home. Last year Putin justified annexing Crimea by declaring it “sacred” and “like the Temple Mount in Jerusalem for Muslims and Jews” — despite the fact it was only incorporated into the Russian Empire in 1783.
Russian media has been adding to the religious connection by applying the same arguments it used to support separatists in Ukraine. The loosely-defined “Russian world” that the Russian media claimed to include parts of Ukraine has now been expanded to make room for Syria. On a Russian debate program a member of Russian parliament, Semyon Bagdasarov, argued that there was “no Orthodoxy or Russia without Syria” and that the historical tradition of Orthodoxy in now-Muslim-majority Syria makes it a “holy land” for Russians and “their” land.
In his weekly televised monologue Dmitry Kiselyov, head of the government-owned news agency Rossiya Segodnya, linked Russia’s military actions in Syria to the Soviet’s Union’s fight against Nazi Germany. He has made similar comparisons before, accusing Ukraine’s pro-Western government of being a fascist junta that needed to be opposed like Hitler’s Germany. This time he referred to Putin’s claim that the Islamic State posed a Nazi-like threat and required a similar coalition of opponents, calling it a “very precise” rationale for bombing Syria.
Russian media, however, seemed to reach new levels of absurdity when one anchorgave a weather report for Syria, emphasizing that the low winds and minimal precipitation had made October an ideal time for Russian airstrikes. The message seemed to be that even the weather was cooperating with Russian military intervention in Syria.
Many of the people justifying Russia’s involvement in Syria are playing to a system that requires and rewards supporting Putin’s actions once he has declared them. As Putin has re-centralized power in Russia, most governmental, media and civil society organizations function first and foremost to support him.
“There is no political elite,” said Mikhail Fishman, Editor-in-Chief of Slon magazine in an interview for Internet news network Hromadske International. “There is just one decision, and when the decision is made the political elite just stand behind it.” They are all “branches of the same political organism called Putin or the Kremlin,” Fishman said.
To consolidate his power, Putin has worked to hollow out government and civil society organizations. In doing so, he has made Russia a closed circuit that does not accept feedback and does not tolerate dissent. The centralization of power allows for swift displays of military force — like the rolling out of troops and airstrikes in days — and is frightening because of its ability to justify military action anywhere in the world.
But the centralization of power has also made the state structure extremely brittle. The one-way flow of information prevents feedback about what is not working. Putin may be using many of the same arguments in Syria he used a year ago in Ukraine, but Russia is no longer the same country. Russians continues to be unenthusiastic about military involvement in Syria, the Russian economy is in recession with nearly 16 percent inflation, and Putin has been paying for these wars by taking money frompension funds. The institutions that now only function to rubber stamp Putin’s decisions cannot address these problems, and conjuring Nazis and tracing Russian society back to Syria won’t make these facts go away.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Angela Merkel, not noted for her socialist leanings hasn't, in fact :
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/repor...nly-end-syrian-war-with-russia-s-help-2130829
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Early days : let's see if there's repercussions inside Russia. A few bombings in Moscow will test his man of steel image.
http://en.apa.az/xeber_is_gunmen_killed_in_chechnya_prepared_la_233189.html
Russia denies missiles landed in Iran
The US's propaganda department has fallen way short yet again.
The US's propaganda department has fallen way short yet again.
McBain
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Russian Fighters shadowing a US predator drone in the skies above Syria - US military sources have also said that US aircraft over Syria have had to re-routed many times in the past week to avoid Russian fighter jets.
It's only a matter of time...
It's only a matter of time...
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