Sam Allardyce

[orly]

Exactly in your post there, all will have to be paid off and then there is the problem of mass recruitment.

You can’t argue with that, the club are struggling for stability as it is and getting rid of absolutely everyone surely won’t reflect well on and off the pitch.

It would be utter mayhem.

It's not like a major investment fund or something parachuting a top team (a team which essentially has worked together elsewhere in carefully defined roles), this would be almost entirely external recruitment at a critical moment (transfer window and preseason). It just can't (and won't) happen.

 

[Tez]

I find it alarming that people want to avoid the chaos of last summer, but somehow think getting rid of the Chair, Chief Executive, Director of Football (essentially the Chief Strategic Officer for football operations) and Manager (+all of his staff) in a three month period is going to provide this. Perhaps only in the La La Land of @mkrudden 's organisational dream.

If Kenwright and Elstone go, Walsh and Allardyce get the summer, almost by default.

Not ideal but every single one has underperformed in their position and are not good enough. Steve Walsh has spent £200m to make us worse. Sam Allardyce is a joke who shouldn't have been here in the first place and Elstone has oversaw several horrendous commercial deals like the Kitbag deal.

Moshiri has given this team two years and they've not cut it. Replacing them would be ruthless and a clear sign that he demands more than what he's been getting.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

???????? Big leap that, it's probably that we're going to finish two or three positions under where we budgeted and now have an issue.

That's a few mil a position max so we would had to have budgeted for a title challenge and end up in 17th. I find that more far fetched than the getting rid of Sam assertion.

 

[sageyefc]

Not ideal but every single one has underperformed in their position and are not good enough. Steve Walsh has spent £200m to make us worse. Sam Allardyce is a joke who shouldn't have been here in the first place and Elstone has oversaw several horrendous commercial deals like the Kitbag deal.

Moshiri has given this team two years and they've not cut it. Replacing them would be ruthless and a clear sign that he demands more than what he's been getting.

More like 300 mil actually

 

[MrGrumpy]

Is their company "United" ? No mention of Everton either or the business that's borrowing from what I can see. Or any dates except repayment date. Unless I can't see other pages

It’s from Santander and it’s to be repaid in June/July so it’s a short term loan, why do we need a short term loan? We already have the 60 mil available from the Chinese bank

 

[mkrudden]

I find it alarming that people want to avoid the chaos of last summer, but somehow think getting rid of the Chair, Chief Executive, Director of Football (essentially the Chief Strategic Officer for football operations) and Manager (+all of his staff) in a three month period is going to provide this. Perhaps only in the La La Land of @mkrudden 's organisational dream.

If Kenwright and Elstone go, Walsh and Allardyce get the summer, almost by default.

I find it bizarre that wanting a billionaire who puts into place an expert team across all aspects of the business is "la la".

Each to their own.

 

[MrGrumpy]

That's a few mil a position max so we would had to have budgeted for a title challenge and end up in 17th. I find that more far fetched than the getting rid of Sam assertion.

It’s 2 mil a position, as we are currently 9th that’s only 4 mil down from where we realistically expected to finish, could still finish

 

[mkrudden]

Not ideal but every single one has underperformed in their position and are not good enough. Steve Walsh has spent £200m to make us worse. Sam Allardyce is a joke who shouldn't have been here in the first place and Elstone has oversaw several horrendous commercial deals like the Kitbag deal.

Moshiri has given this team two years and they've not cut it. Replacing them would be ruthless and a clear sign that he demands more than what he's been getting.

Moshiri promoted Elstone to the board.

He hired Koeman.

He hired Walsh.

He hired Allardyce.

But he's not allowed to be criticised.

K.

 

[Tez]

Moshiri promoted Elstone to the board.

He hired Koeman.

He hired Walsh.

He hired Allardyce.

But he's beyond reproach.

K.

I never said anything about beyond reproach though did I?

Walsh has had two years and a practically blank chequebook and failed.

Allardyce was not good enough before he got here and has proven as such. His form before Brighton was worse than Koeman's when he got sacked.

Elstone has been headhunted but has been poor long term anyway.

Moshiri cannot be happy with the performance with all of the above so replacing them with better should be on his mind.

If you're happy with the current top team then the mind boggles.

 

[mkrudden]

I never said anything about beyond reproach though did I?

Walsh has had two years and a practically blank chequebook and failed.

Allardyce was not good enough before he got here and has proven as such. His form before Brighton was worse than Koeman's when he got sacked.

Elstone has been headhunted but has been poor long term anyway.

Moshiri cannot be happy with the performance with all of the above so replacing them with better should be on his mind.

If you're happy with the current top team then the mind boggles.

No mate sorry, I was agreeing with you. Was really aimed at @orly and his merry men / women.

 

[COYBL25]

I find it alarming that people want to avoid the chaos of last summer, but somehow think getting rid of the Chair, Chief Executive, Director of Football (essentially the Chief Strategic Officer for football operations) and Manager (+all of his staff) in a three month period is going to provide this. Perhaps only in the La La Land of @mkrudden 's organisational dream.

If Kenwright and Elstone go, Walsh and Allardyce get the summer, almost by default.

Reading that has just made me very sad.

Under no circumstances should Walsh and Allardyce still be here next season.

 

[joger]

I find it alarming that people want to avoid the chaos of last summer, but somehow think getting rid of the Chair, Chief Executive, Director of Football (essentially the Chief Strategic Officer for football operations) and Manager (+all of his staff) in a three month period is going to provide this. Perhaps only in the La La Land of @mkrudden 's organisational dream.

If Kenwright and Elstone go, Walsh and Allardyce get the summer, almost by default.

I think you bring up a great point that has not been mentioned before I think. On the other hand Walsh has shown how he is not capable to be our DoF and Allardyce has never been good enough. If they are still here after the summer I just think the fans will force them out sooner than later, so maybe it's just better to make wholesale changes in the summer anyways. I don't think I can take another season with Allardyce being our manager!!!

 

[davids]

Moshiri promoted Elstone to the board.

He hired Koeman.

He hired Walsh.

He hired Allardyce.

But he's not allowed to be criticised.

K.

I think he gets the get out of jail card because he's obviously a top accountant,but knows nothing about football,and as far as I'm aware has never suggested that he does.

 

[bluestevon]

It would be utter mayhem.

It's not like a major investment fund or something parachuting a top team (a team which essentially has worked together elsewhere in carefully defined roles), this would be almost entirely external recruitment at a critical moment (transfer window and preseason). It just can't (and won't) happen.

Depends mate really.

A true DoF and a capable one, would be already doing a massive amount/all the role that we have a chairman and CEO doing in terms of recruitment, 'forward planning' etc.

Keeping hold of Walsh if anything slows down the ability to change various areas, because frankly he's incompetent, so you'd be left having top recruit both chair and ceo who can cover massive parts of the job he's doing.

In IF we where changing CEO, Chair this summer then it'd be smoother to change the DoF at the same time ultimately, and if you change DoF then really you need to give him the ability to go change the manager to start putting his imprint on the team going forwards.

Ultimately, far too many have had it far too easy at all levels throughout this club, a clean broom is needed and long overdue, who knows may actually jolt the ones who remain - including players out of the easy life.

 

[ultra]

The order of sackings should be:
1. Allardyce
2. Elstone

Walsh can be left in situ and ignored. Kenwright and co will be bought out anyway soon, regardless