Sam Allardyce

[captainvindaloo]

To all those who think he should be given another season, slap yourself in the face and read this:

Allardyce is NOT a project manager (we are more a project now than we have ever been).
He is NOT a team builder (we now face a more challenging build than the stadium) .
His style of play is NOT the School of Science (more like the Museum of Natural History).
He is NOT a long term solution (he was the default panic choice to stave off the threat of relegation).
He is NOT the future of Everton Football Club. (He knows this, the board knows this and every fan with a brain cell knows this).

 

[Encoder]

I have posted previously about my distaste for now of the name calling and personal insults relating to Sam. I find a lot of it offensive and strangely it make me almost want to keep him here just to annoy those people even more.

However, the bigger picture is Everton and I think that where we are at the moment calls for a radical review of the football side of our club and Sam should not have a future in that for two reasons.

First.. he is an elder statesman of a manager at this stage of his career but he has a definite way of playing football and has used this all his working life as a manager. Football is constantly evolving and Sam and his methods have been left behind.
Leaving Sam in charge is an acceptance of mediocrity. We won't be relegated but we won't ever challenge to be a top team.


Second... appearance to the public...even though it should not be important , it is , and maybe even more important. We have spent a fortune in the transfer window, by the beginning of the new season we should at least have plans for our new ground and yet we are managed by a man whose biggest claim to fame is keeping teams safe from relegation.

Any way it is dressed up we will be seen as a mid table team and you can just see the apathy there will be amongst fans facing into the new season.

When there will be discussions about the coming season we will be talked about more in the group listed as relegation challengers than challengers for European football.

These are two reasons I want change and I don't need to insult or mock the man.

If he wasn't a known corrupt ballbag with a massive ego who routinely runs his mouth off in public and throws out blame to everyone but himself then I'm sure people would be less incendiary towards him.

The fact is he's a horrible weapon and the fact that he manages a club who used to take pride in being ran well and who held genuine values is absolutely detestable.

 

[Stanley Parker]

We`re supposed to looking forwards, not backwards.

Allardyce`s whole managerial career proves that he is just another manager in the mold of Warnock, Pardew, Pullis, Hughes etc - dull, predictable football, that under normal circumstances won`t get you relegated.

You could sum up his CV in two words - Mid-table.

His style of football is rooted in the past and his appointment here was supposed to be his last chance to prove otherwise, which he hasn`t done.

He`s done what he was asked to do, keep us in the league, making our eyes bleed in the process.

He`s made no attempt to get the fans on board whatsoever, so why should we reciprocate ?

He sneers, he shrugs, he points the finger of blame at anyone but himself and this is the man you want as our manager next season ???

You`re either a multi on a WUM or an infrequent visitor from another teams forum ( make of that what you will )

Warnock and Pulis - two managers fighting for promotion!

Cardiff City under Warnock; 2nd in the Championship, Goals for 62, Goals against 33.

They play Wolves tomorrow night. Let's see just how dull and predictable they are.

And Pulis has taken Boro into the play-off places. He tailors his approach to his resources.

 

[blueblue]

It’s also nice to know people can change and join the masses. As you’ve definitely changed your tune on Sam over the last few weeks.

True.

When he was first given the job I thought he would have done better than he has.
I thought he would galvanise the team and get them to spill their blood for him as he had done at his previous clubs but I have seen no great level of togetherness or fighting spirit from our team.
I had hoped we would have seen a bit more variety in the way he set up his team and some tactical nous when playing teams like Arsenal and City... yet they were sent out like lambs to slaughter.

You are right, I was for giving him a chance, I thought he might surprise us .. pleasantly.

As each game has gone by I have lost confidence .

 

[magicjuan]

Warnock and Pulis - two managers fighting for promotion!

Cardiff City under Warnock; 2nd in the Championship, Goals for 62, Goals against 33.

They play Wolves tomorrow night. Let's see just how dull and predictable they are.

And Pulis has taken Boro into the play-off places. He tailors his approach to his resources.

So, we need to be fighting for promotion? There's a massive gap between us and 6th, even bigger between championship play offs and PL top 6, not exactly a great selling point. Both have been in the premiership, neither have set the world alight, that really can't be an aspiration, we bottomed out with this sad bell.

 

[COYBL25]

Warnock and Pulis - two managers fighting for promotion!

Cardiff City under Warnock; 2nd in the Championship, Goals for 62, Goals against 33.

They play Wolves tomorrow night. Let's see just how dull and predictable they are.

And Pulis has taken Boro into the play-off places. He tailors his approach to his resources.

The Championship is their level mate.

The footy overall wouldn`t appear to be technically very good, with the sole object being to get out of the division by any means necessary and then " refine " the football once in the Premier League.

Hence why Warnock and Pulis both failed in the Premier League and are now doing well in the Championship.

Warnock has gone on record very recently, saying that he hates managing in the Premier League, read into that what you will.

I`ve no doubt Allardyce, with his limited approach to football, would do well in the Championship too.

 

[blue61]

To all those who think he should be given another season, slap yourself in the face and read this:

Allardyce is NOT a project manager (we are more a project now than we have ever been).
He is NOT a team builder (we now face a more challenging build than the stadium) .
His style of play is NOT the School of Science (more like the Museum of Natural History).
He is NOT a long term solution (he was the default panic choice to stave off the threat of relegation).
He is NOT the future of Everton Football Club. (He knows this, the board knows this and every fan with a brain cell knows this).

Shall I put you down as undecided?

 

[roydo]

I`ve no doubt Allardyce, with his limited approach to football, would do well in the Championship too.

Got West Ham up, probably Bolton too. CBA to check. The fella is a dated cake. Inedible.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Got West Ham up, probably Bolton too. CBA to check. The fella is a dated cake. Inedible.

Only through the play-offs though, never automatic. Which kind of says it all.

 

[roydo]

Only through the play-offs though, never automatic. Which kind of says it all.

Was it? Arsed either way. Current manager of Cheltenham Town got Bristol City to a play off final.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

Pops in, sees he's still here and pops out again,

No standards, no morals in this club anymore.

 

[mrb85]

The worrying thing is that Moshiri wants him still in post for next season. In this instance BK is showing the better judgement -- he wants him out at the end of the season. Of course BK does not carry the same weight as pre-Mosh.

 

[matty1878]

The worrying thing is that Moshiri wants him still in post for next season. In this instance BK is showing the better judgement -- he wants him out at the end of the season. Of course BK does not carry the same weight as pre-Mosh.

Moshiri told you this Yearh? Behave mate FS is gone in summer end of

 

[charlie atkins]

Warnock and Pulis - two managers fighting for promotion!

Cardiff City under Warnock; 2nd in the Championship, Goals for 62, Goals against 33.

They play Wolves tomorrow night. Let's see just how dull and predictable they are.

And Pulis has taken Boro into the play-off places. He tailors his approach to his resources.

Untill they get in the top league. Then they are all boring and clueless. Set teams out to beat them around them. They leave players out against top sides. They have all earned more in lay off pay than wages

 

[KindofBlue]

Mosh is an accountant at heart. To understand his basis for all business decisions you need to understand accountants. Accountants provide financial structure and operational certainty to most businesses. They run detailed financial models on everything before they acquire. They are by nature the most risk adverse professionals I know and decisions are based on as close as one can get to financial certainty. If we work forward from that basis we can track through the last two years.

When we dropped to 17th he simply panicked not only because he feared relegation but because not being clearly safe of the drop would throw off his funding and cash flow model thereby directly impacting his ability to finance the new stadium and broker all the local deals he needed to make this happen on what he saw as acceptable terms.

My educated guess is that all of the financial models and payback schedules were based on Everton in the premiership and likely top 12 as a minimum. Occasionally being in in Europe would be a bonus and dropping lower would require the injection of more personal equity and having less funds for transfers. He needs the TV revenue and profit from player sales. Dropping leagues and making bad buys are two things that would be inherently unacceptable to him.

When he could not get who he wanted right away or would not pay Watford's price he went with the financially safe choice of someone who if nothing else can historically guarantee safety. Despite his desire to play quality football Mosh cannot risk the overall plan to move the project forward. In his mind Mosh wrote the football side of the season off as soon as he hired Sam in favor of long term business security. Remember this is the guy who factors expected losses into his plans.

Do you think there is any coincidence that Meis comes out of the woodwork just weeks after we are safe? Not a chance. As far as the capacity goes, it’s already in the model, they know they just won't tell you. How else do you factor repayment into the model and seek preliminary financing and deal approval without knowing the approximate capacity?

I believe he has also realized that Walsh is not good enough to implement part two of his plan, which is the resale of assets for profit. Recruitment has been both poor and overpriced and we failed moving Barkley for fair value. The financial model would have accounted for the appreciation of purchased assets not their depreciation in value which is what we have seen. Walsh will be gone and replaced because with him the business model is failing. There is no other way to judge him.

I am also guessing Sam knew when he was hired he was not a long term solution despite all the talk to the contrary. His job is done. He was never the long term solution and he knows it. It was a chance for him to retire after a successful stint of keeping another team up and not as the quasi criminal fired manager of England. We stay up and move forward on the stadium and he gets to write his own ending.

We get to reset after the season. I just hope we have learned our lesson.

Sorry for the length, I got carried away.