Sam Allardyce

[Barnfred 55]

In terms of league position, do you reckon anyone could have finished higher than 8th with this collection of gimps we have? I'm not saying he's done great, far from it, he's done the absolute bare minimum and we can't possibly go on playing for draws away from home against bottom half teams, and giving up against the top 6 before kick off. I rated the job he's done as below average due to those things, but really there's only so much that could have been achieved with this stinking anus of a squad.

6th.

Sorry mate. On my phone and its doin my head in

 

[MikeH72]

We've been here before Mikeh and whilst I disagree I also respect your view that he did what he came here to do. But the statement was no one could have done better. Come on. I'm struggling to come up with 5 names that could have done worse.

Who we could have realistically got you mean? Do you think Marco Silva would have done better with these players? Relegated and sacked in 12 months by two different clubs? And I can think of one manager straight away who would have done worse - that lard arse Dutchman we used to have.

 

[Barnfred 55]

New contract.

Hopefully a 3 match one on a pay as you win basis.

 

[matty1878]

New contract.

There’s no logic to this. He will be turfed nxt season soon as the fans have had enough better to sack him now

 

[BernieH]

I think if Salah played for Everton there would be posters on here who slagged him off for some reason. Nobody is safe.

If Salah played for Everton under Allardyce he wouldn't have 30 league goals haha

 

[Barnfred 55]

Who we could have realistically got you mean? Do you think Marco Silva would have done better with these players? Relegated and sacked in 12 months by two different clubs? And I can think of one manager straight away who would have done worse - that lard arse Dutchman we used to have.

We've been down this road before mate so lets not go there again. But yeah. Silva, Unsworth and probably even Koeman if he stayed. Sorry. That last one was just to wind you up.

 

[MikeH72]

We've been down this road before mate so lets not go there again. But yeah. Silva, Unsworth and probably even Koeman if he stayed. Sorry. That last one was just to wind you up.

I hope it was!

For the record I don't think Silva would have taken us down, but I do think we'd be around where West Ham are right now. I don't think he'd have even seen out the season.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

In terms of league position, do you reckon anyone could have finished higher than 8th with this collection of gimps we have? I'm not saying he's done great, far from it, he's done the absolute bare minimum and we can't possibly go on playing for draws away from home against bottom half teams, and giving up against the top 6 before kick off. I rated the job he's done as below average due to those things, but really there's only so much that could have been achieved with this stinking anus of a squad.

he's treated his tenure like one long relegation battle nicking points off the teams in and around us whilst writing off the games against the big boys…. Get as many home wins as possible and whatever we can away. It’s all he knows and it doesn’t matter what players he has or how much money he spends that’s his brand of football and it will always feel like a relegation fight (because that’s what he wants, that’s what he’s comfortable with).

Personally (and this is easy to say now I know) I never really thought we’d go down but the threat was there and the owners saw it as a very real possibility and that’s why we hired Allardyce. I can’t stand the guy and there so many reasons to criticise him but I’ll give him one thing he’ll pretty much guarantee keeping you up. The problem is where do you go from there? We’ve been safe for weeks yet he’s still seeing out games in a cautious and negative manner offering no evidence that he can take this or any team forward so unless we really are content with simply existing in the premierleague (and like I said yesterday I have to believe the owners want more) he has to leave, walk away with his millions, a massive club on his CV and the boast about saving yet another club from certain relegation.

It’s not about hating the guy or calling him fat or the Bisto Kid or anything like….. it’s about progression and a positive future for our club and that won’t happen with him in charge. I just hope the planks that run our club see that.

 

[Yarrgh]

Who we could have realistically got you mean? Do you think Marco Silva would have done better with these players? Relegated and sacked in 12 months by two different clubs? And I can think of one manager straight away who would have done worse - that lard arse Dutchman we used to have.

I think he would have gotten us to the same position or better. With hindsight, a bit of stability may have seen him come through with a stronger presence at Everton with the players not so open to insurrection.

We shall never know. I wanted Koeman gone and I want Big Scam gone. Big Scam is by far worse than Koeman in that he is a dinosaur with no ability to drive this club onwards and upwards. Koeman potentially had that ability.

Oh well. Hopefully we get it right next time, and that next time happens sooner rather than later.

 

[MikeH72]

he's treated his tenure like one long relegation battle nicking points off the teams in and around us whilst writing off the games against the big boys…. Get as many home wins as possible and whatever we can away. It’s all he knows and it doesn’t matter what players he has or how much money he spends that’s his brand of football and it will always feel like a relegation fight (because that’s what he wants, that’s what he’s comfortable with).

Personally (and this is easy to say now I know) I never really thought we’d go down but the threat was there and the owners saw it as a very real possibility and that’s why we hired Allardyce. I can’t stand the guy and there so many reasons to criticise him but I’ll give him one thing he’ll pretty much guarantee keeping you up. The problem is where do you go from there? We’ve been safe for weeks yet he’s still seeing out games in a cautious and negative manner offering no evidence that he can take this or any team forward so unless we really are content with simply existing in the premierleague (and like I said yesterday I have to believe the owners want more) he has to leave, walk away with his millions, a massive club on his CV and the boast about saving yet another club from certain relegation.

It’s not about hating the guy or calling him fat or the Bisto Kid or anything like….. it’s about progression and a positive future for our club and that won’t happen with him in charge. I just hope the planks that run our club see that.

This is all 100% correct and I agree with all of it. The best post on this subject I've seen.

 

[Barnfred 55]

If Salah played for Everton under Allardyce he wouldn't have 30 league goals haha

He wouldnt get half that the way we play

 

[Yarrgh]

Offer Big Scam a new 100 million pound contract with guaranteed pay-out if he is sacked but with the following conditions : 1 million is taken away for every time he blames a player and 2 million is taken away when he snipes at any non-playing staff.

He couldn't help himself. He'd be owing us by the end of this season.

 

[BernieH]

He wouldnt get half that the way we play

Being generous even with that

 

[Steve Wigan]

I don't do drugs mate.

 

[MickA]

From nufc.com

Turning to Everton, there's a risk of double standards here for slagging them off for being so negative at home after a season when we've deployed equally restrictive tactics at times.

Unlike the first meeting of these sides in December though, Everton are well out of danger and can afford to be more expansive as they pursue a Europa League place. It's a fair bet that we'll be rather more offensive against West Bromwich Albion on Saturday, having reached our declared objective.

Aside from the fact that we're not on a level with the likes of Manchester City and as a promoted side, we surely didn't represent a threat to his expensively-assembled side to justify these tactics. It was of course nothing to do with respect though, just his default miserabilist stance.

Allardyce's justification appears to be that his £45m Icelandic playmaker is crocked, but that just doesn't wash - certainly given the withdrawn position Wayne Rooney was condemned to occupy, aside from trotting forward to take corners.

One thing is clear; home followers are bored stiff, rendered even more apathetic than usual by this joyless feast and in no hurry to sign up for more of it - a feeling that may well be shared within the dressing room if the Newcastle squad in 2007 is any guide. The end doesn't justify the means.

Defeat left Newcastle tenth - still not quite mathematically safe, with but genuine hope of achieving a first top half finish since 2014. Tonight didn't change anything....and I still hate Allardyce's guts