Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%

  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%

  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%

  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%
  • Total voters
    956
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Simon Buttle said:
13th is not the relegation zone though is it? he came in when we were mid table ish and playing crap, i still find it hard to believe that our shortlist was him and Silva, there must have been other options surely?
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If I remember right wasn’t Fonseca in the frame at the last minute, but Shakhtar wouldn’t let him go?

I might be wrong though.
 

He’s not responsible for where we are but one thing is clear he is not for us.

Nothing about him makes him the right choice for Everton. The day that he is the right fit for Everton is the day that the club will have lost its soul.

Let’s get to 40 points.
 
Simon Buttle said:
I think he would need the war chest mate. I have watched Shakhtar a few times and they play some really nice one touch fast paced passing football. We just don't really have the sort of players to play that way in our squad at the moment. Apart from maybe Walcott and Coleman we don't have anyone who has that much pace, also they play with two deep lying playmakers, and we all know the quality of our midfield! Bernard who is one of their better players is actually on a free in the summer, but he will have a choice of many clubs, Fred is going to end up at City by the looks of things. The one thing about getting Fonseca is that he is part of the Jorge Mendes stable which if you look at some of the players he managed to bring into Wolves, there is no reason we wouldn't be able to do the same here. Knowing Everton though it will be Pardew on the sidelines at the start of next season.
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Which players did Fonseca bring into Shaktar?
 
Proper grim this. Feels like I'm in some weird nightmare where Everton FC appointed some crooked fat mess who is blameless after defeats yet takes all the credit for a win. A fat crooked mess who should be nowhere near this great club.

This summer is arguably one of the most important in our recent history.
 

Simon Buttle said:
I think he would need the war chest mate. I have watched Shakhtar a few times and they play some really nice one touch fast paced passing football. We just don't really have the sort of players to play that way in our squad at the moment. Apart from maybe Walcott and Coleman we don't have anyone who has that much pace, also they play with two deep lying playmakers, and we all know the quality of our midfield! Bernard who is one of their better players is actually on a free in the summer, but he will have a choice of many clubs, Fred is going to end up at City by the looks of things. The one thing about getting Fonseca is that he is part of the Jorge Mendes stable which if you look at some of the players he managed to bring into Wolves, there is no reason we wouldn't be able to do the same here. Knowing Everton though it will be Pardew on the sidelines at the start of next season.
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That's the problem mate the likes of Shakhtar are stepping stones for the real quality players coming into Europe and the then on into the PL. If he came in he would need time...bags of it, and I don't think he'd get it.

It's all about survival in the PL now.
 
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CRIMHEAD said:
Which players did Fonseca bring into Shaktar?
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None i don't think, they have a DOF setup there, and most of their players are south american. Fonseca is more of a coach which is why he would be good here, to be able to help mould all those winning youngsters we have in the youth team to come through mixed in with a few top quality pro's.
 

I really do detest the useless git. He surely has to go before the end of the season as our football is downright embarrassing.
 
APN_EFC said:
We are so so lucky this year that around 35 points should be enough to avoid relegation and everyone else below 9th position is crap
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You what ?!

Stoke are on 27 points and have home games against us, Burnley and Palace left, plus away games against West Ham and final day against Swansea who'll already be safe by then. I'm confident they'll lose the rest of their games so won't mention them here.
Currently 27 points, they'll beat us (and nobody can argue with this prediction as we've won 1 in 23 away games), Burnley will be stuck in no-man's land knowing they've already bagged 7th, and will likely smash Palace too, plus that Swansea game may be crucial and I wouldn't count out a last day miracle. I can see Stoke getting 37-39 points.

Palace are also on 27, but have an extra game left, albeit against United. They do have very winnable home games against Brighton, Leicester and West Brom, and away games where they play equally poor teams in Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Watford and Stoke.
I predict Palace will end on between 38-40 points. If they beat United tomorrow, I'd be extremely scared for us.

WBA, I think their chances of finishing about us are extremely low given we're 14 points ahead of them and they have 9 games left, of which they still need to face Liverpool, Spurs and United. They do have three of their next four games at home against average teams (Leicester, Burnley, Swansea) so if they are somehow able to pull out three wins then I may start to get worried if we lose to Brighton next week, but hopefully we can win, although I wouldn't count on it. I think WBA finish on about 29-31 points.

Southampton, 28 points at present and have amongst others, have tough away fixtures against Arsenal, Leicester, us, Swansea and Newcastle left to play, plus City and Chelsea at home and a six-pointer against WHU away. They have the toughest run in I feel, and will likely end on between 36-38 points.

Newcastle are on 29 at the moment and have a favourable run-in. Their toughest fixtures left to play at Spurs, Leicester and arguably us away, plus Arsenal and Chelsea at home. They do, however, have very winnable games against Southampton, Huddersfield, West Brom and Watford left to play. Given their fixture I can see them finishing on 40-42 points.

That's the bottom five, meaning we'd need to get another 6 points to finish above all of them.

Huddersfield, Swansea, West Ham and Brighton are all on 30, 30, 30 and 31 points respectively already, so you can guarantee they'll all end up very close or slightly over 40 points.

I think we can forget getting more than 1-2 points from our remaining away games (Stoke, Swansea, Huddersfield, West Ham) as we have a grand total of 10 points gained from away games since the start of March 2017. Home games, can we beat two of Brighton, Newcastle and Southampton? These are all now six-pointers and a loss against either could send us down if they pick up points elsewhere. I am extremely scared for our chances of staying up this season.
 
kenada_blue said:
We were conceding 2+ goals a game, had the 2nd worst defence in the league. We were 2 points from the bottom 3 at the end of November until we played West Ham. We'd just conceded 9 goals in two games prior to it.

If we'd have lost the West Ham game, we would've fell into the bottom 3 rolling into December.

Anyone making out we weren't in free fall needs to give their heads a wobble. But then again, those people wanted someone like Marco Silva in.
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Mate we have conceded 19 in the last 9 games, and conceded 17 in the last 7 games. Burnley have just scored 2 goals in a home game for only the second time this season - i'd say you are over egging the pudding that we are better defensively than we where, we basically had a run of about 5-6 games against some dreadful teams aided by a new manager bounce where we fluked out results - yup we had huge luck and could easily have conceded 2-4 in the games against Newcastle, West Brom Liverpool and Chelsea save for the woodwork and some terrible misses

we just became the first team in something like 57 games to score first against Burnley and lose the game, we just became the first team to lose to Burnley in 12 games, and we just let them do the double over us this season.
 

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