Saturday's protest sit-in... Poll Included !!!

[AndyC]

Personally, i just think protests in general are pointless. They are there to recruit like minded or easily persuaded people, not to actually make a difference.

As ive always been a Sly fan, seeing him at Goodison with an Everton scarf coming out to the Rocky music, and on my birthday no less, it was 1 of the highlights of being an Everton season ticket holder for the last the last 28 years.

Sad i know.

Genuine question - what's your thoughts on striking NHS workers ?

 

[AndyC]

How long to unpack the pitchforks and light the torches?

I fully realise this is intended to be a humorous post but, given the #AllTogetherNow and #NSNOW folks are stressing the sit-in is absolutely intended to be peaceful... need one say more?

 

[MikeH72]

I don’t thrive of it that’s why I’m not staying. Money has been spent on the squad….. we are crap because those who’ve bought players coached players managed player havent done their job properly. Moshiri has spent BIG. He can do no more. Do I want Kenwright gone YES. But hounding out Moshiri is not for me. New Stadium on the way he’s done all he can.

Absolute nonsense, complete rubbish argument that has been debunked many times already. An owner’s job isn’t simply to just give someone money. He is responsible for putting a proper structure in place and running the business, we lose £100m+ per year so he has completely failed at running the business.

 

[Kever10]

Genuine question - what's your thoughts on striking NHS workers ?

I think its completely different, dont you?

 

[AndyC]

I think its completely different, dont you?

They're protesting about the conditions within the NHS.
We're protesting about the running of our football club.

They might not be exact mirror images of each other but, a protest is a protest is a protest... and I fail to see 'pointless' as an apt description.
Anyway, probably for another forum page and thread so let's leave it.

 

[Daytripper]

Probably go the gym tomorrow during the game to try and take my mind off it. Respect to all the protesters. Three points tomorrow please ?

 

[allezlesbleus]

Personally, i just think protests in general are pointless. They are there to recruit like minded or easily persuaded people, not to actually make a difference.

As ive always been a Sly fan, seeing him at Goodison with an Everton scarf coming out to the Rocky music, and on my birthday no less, it was 1 of the highlights of being an Everton season ticket holder for the last the last 28 years.

Sad i know.

Thanks for the reply mate.
Certainly no guarantees protests achieve what people might hope for but they at least convey and publicise a message of dissatisfaction which many Blues feel deeply - and with reason.
So we just put up with things or walk away? Not having a go. Just checking whether I have got your opinion right.

 

[Kever10]

They're protesting about the conditions within the NHS.
We're protesting about the running of our football club.

They might not be exact mirror images of each other but, a protest is a protest is a protest... and I fail to see 'pointless' as an apt description.
Anyway, probably for another forum page and thread so let's leave it.

The difference is, ours is a sports team. You can plan all you like, things can go off the rails because of any number of reasons.

All these people protesting talk about there being no plan, no change, etc they say we need more/better players. The players we should be buying are youngsters from Europe at a fraction of the price of the finished article. Its all hypothetical. Look at Onana, look at Kean or Gbamin. You can have all the will in the world. If things dont change quickly, you have to smash the rest button because people get restless.

Most of the people who spout these arguments say hes stood by and let these things happen, but lets look at the record. Martinez, hounded out. Koeman, failed miserably. Allardyce hounded out. Silva failed miserably. Ancelotti, left of his own accord, but people were already getting impatient and starting to grumble with him, 1 of the best managers in the world. Benitez, wrong choice, but hounded out again. And now we are on Lampard, and plenty want him gone as well.

They talk about a plan, but noone actually has any intention of giving a plan any time to succeed.

The protests are essentially about impatient, entitled people wanting THEIR change made when THEY want it. Its often ill defined and limited to soundbites. Because lets face it, its easy to criticise and pick holes in something with hindsight.

Moshiri, for all his faults, has backed every manager we have appointed until its too late. But its sport. He cant control results or what other teams do. He cant prevent 7 other teams improving. He cant control a player missing a sitter or dropping a cross. He cant control bad referees or VAR. He couldnt control the rule change that changed our approach to spending. He couldnt prevent COVID. He couldnt help Ancelottis house being burgled. He couldnt prevent the war in Russia and the sanctions placed as a result.

There are so many variables at play, and i think its unfair that so many talk about not having a plan, when the reality is, noone knows, they can only summise.

Real unity that you ask for, would be for people to pipe down and support whats there for a bit, rather than expecting immediate improvement in all aspects of the club and business. Its certainly not going to help to try to force further change, delaying whatever plans they do have even further.

For what its worth, i said when all this started with Martinez that we needed to have time. Moyes squad was in need of massive overhaul and it would not happen overnight. Chasing him so early set a precedent. Yes, there were obviously things that needed improving, but also positives too.

I think at this point, there is probably too much water under the bridge, and too many people who have been swayed by the baying mob, that the position of the whole club is untenable, and i fear whats going to happen next.

The whole place stinks of negativity and doom.

 

[maccavennie]

The difference is, ours is a sports team. You can plan all you like, things amcan go off the rails because of any number of reasons.

All these people protesting talk about there being no plan, no chamge, etc they say we need more/better players. The plahers we should be buying are youngsters from Europe at a fraction of the price of the finished article. Its all hypothetical. Look at Onana, look at Kean or Gbamin. You can have all the will in the world. If things dont change quickly, you have to smash the rest button because people get restless.

Most of the people who spout these arguments say hes stood by and let these things happen, but lets look at the record. Martinez, hounded out. Koeman, failed miserably. Allardyce hounded out. Silva failed miserably. Ancelotti, left of his own accord, but people were already getting impatient and starting to grumble with him, 1 of the best managers in the world. Benitez, wrong choice, but hounded out again. And now we are on Lampard, and plenty want him gone as well.

They talk about a plan, but noone actually has any intention of giving a plan any time to succeed.

The protests are essentially about imparmtient, entitled people wanting THEIR change made when THEY want it. Its often ill defined and limited to soundbites. Because lets face it, its easy to criticise and pick holes in something with hindsight.

Moshiri, for all his faults, has backed every manager we have appointed until its too late. But its sport. He cant control results or what other teams do. He cant prevent 7 other teams improving. He cant control a player missing a sitter or dropping a cross. He cant control bad referees or VAR. He couldnt control the rule change that changed our approach to spending. He coukdnt help COVID. He couldnt help Ancelottis house being burgled. He couldnt prevent the war in Russia and the sanctions placed as a result.

There are so many variables at pay, and i think its unfair that so many talk about not having a plan, when the reality is, noone knows, they can only summise.

Real unity that you ask for, would be for people to pipe down and support whats there for a bit, rather than expecting immediate improvement in all aspects of the club and business. Its certainly going to help to try to force further change, delaying whatever plans they do have even further.

For what its worth, i said when all this started with Martinez that we needed to have time. Moyes squad was in need of massive overhaul and it would not happen overnight. Chasing him so early set a precedent. Yes, there were obviously things that needed improving, but also positives too.

I think at this point, there is probably too much water under the bridge, and too many people wbo have been swayed by the baying mob, that the position of the whole club is untenable, and infear whats going to happen next.

Chasing Martinez? With 2 11th placed finishes you felt he got chased out?

The fella was the manager equivalent of Kenwright, an absolute bullshytter of the highest order

 

[Kever10]

Chasing Martinez? With 2 11th placed finishes you felt he got chased out?

The fella was the manager equivalent of Kenwright, an absolute bullshytter of the highest order

In hindsight, 11th place and 2 semi finals doesnt seem so bad now though does it?

Its all relative of course.

 

[EGWToffee]

Absolute nonsense, complete rubbish argument that has been debunked many times already. An owner’s job isn’t simply to just give someone money. He is responsible for putting a proper structure in place and running the business, we lose £100m+ per year so he has completely failed at running the business.

Nope it’s facts. He’s pumped money in and the useless people under him have sponked it.

 

[degsy]

The whole point of protest is that if Nothing is said/done, there's no incentive to change unless the person(s) in charge suddenly get the idea off their own bat - which not an everyday occurrence.

For instance, being charitable - maybe they didn't see a problem, nobody told them, etc.
Yeah, they might take no notice...

'Nobody told me it was  This bad'
No, you were told -  We told you !
But you didn't / wouldn't listen...or listened to the wrong people

We can only do so much, but we can take that argument out of the equation.

Put simply - don't ask, don't get.

But hey, It's all the fans fault - yeah right.

 

[maccavennie]

In hindsight, 11th place and 2 semi finals doesnt seem so bad now though does it?

Its all relative of course.

With the squad he had (so I'm not even going to compare rhe rabble we have compared to what he had at his disposal) it was a disgrace to finish 11th and 11th.

An absolute fraud of a manager who teamed up with another showman in Kenwright to attempt to blag anyone who would listen that everything was phenomenal.

Dreadful, dreadful manager.

 

[EFC78]

Sharp out

Disgusting banner

 

[MikeH72]

Nope it’s facts. He’s pumped money in and the useless people under him have sponked it.

Those useless people under him are people that he employed? So he hasn’t put an effective structure in place has he?