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Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Probably one of the only professions in the world where someone in the pub or online reckons they know more than an entire team of fully qualified coaches, most of whom are ex professional players, who are studying data all day and knows all of these players personally and watches them in training every day.
Well they have a hell of a lot more data during the game then most people assume to inform decisions mate - how they use that data is up to them. But it’s way beyond - he looks tired.
It’s not just during the game. It’s in training during the week, it’s what he means by glib sayings like PL fit - in other words a players metrics are off what is considered baseline to put in a performence at a PL base level. Or that that players body is adjusting to building up the load. You can go on.
Sports science can really help with injury management, I had a problem with something musclier and I just couldn’t shake it or I’d break down, the sports science guys where able to sit me down and go through what I was doing when I felt it and or broke down and identified physically what was causing the reoccurrence and how to prevent it - turned out I was sprinting over too long phases from a starting to sprint stop - after identifying it I adjusted my running style and sprinting spurts and absolutely led to full recovery. I suspect this is what they did with DCL in managing his injury or similar - it’s almost like in golf and changing your swing, you take it apart and relearn with a different technique.
Sports Science and strength and conditioning teams really are amazing these days, as is the tech to support it. I can only image what they have at PL level, I’m sure it’s light years ahead of what I experienced.
On Dyche I think this season is interesting, I’d ignore the last two seasons, he had no options or squad - this season I think he does - be interesting to see how he manages these decisions.
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Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
So we just ignore what he actually says about subs and his beliefs around them and the interviews he has done on the matter?
In all fairness I was talking about away games
and that’s we were discussing and his terrible showing at the top clubs
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Is that what my post says?
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
But you being very condescending to everyone about how they have a team of sports scientists blah blah blah. When none of that actually comes into to Dyches beliefs on the matter.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
It’s not condescending to point out that a PL coaching team might know more about football and when to make substitutions than people on the internet or in the pub. Thats just logical, the same way any professional at the highest level of their industry will know more than an amateur.
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
The way you are going about it is very condescending. Having a conversation about it is one thing, writing a patronising post not in response to anyone is another. but each to their own. And I’m just sticking you on ignore now. All for debate but you do this sort of thing regularly.
The club may have all these experts and sports scientists and former players, that’s true. They may have all that data. But that’s all irrelevant if Dyche sticks to his beliefs on it (which aren’t based in that data).
Bluelladevil
Player Valuation: £750k
“Beto has to keep working at his game.” Is it a good idea to make negative comments about Beto in a press conference when it appears we are trying to sell him in the January transfer window? It could clearly risk changing the minds of possible buyers or knocking a chunk off his transfer fee. I would imagine Thelwell is not happy. But why say it? What purpose could it possibly serve to say it? Is it another example of his pathetic implied narrative - "poor me ... if only people knew how difficult it is to manage this club ... the players I have to put up with ... the fans have unrealistic expectations ... blah blah".
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
How do you know they’re not based on data? Didn’t he even say at a press conference that the data on substitutions aren’t what you think?
This all started with people questioning his substitutions when leading in games, I said the results when we’re leading games are actually pretty good except for the two obvious bad games this season, it’s actually his sub making when we’re behind or with players on yellow cards that I find worse.
Now you’re accusing him of ignoring the data he has at the club and his coaching staff even though you don’t know either of these things, and I’m the condescending one for just pointing out that a professional coaching team might know more about when to make a substitution than amateur fans?
It's an answer to a question in a press conference, he hasn't just randomly written an article in the echo about how crap Beto is. What can he realistically say about it? I think 'he needs to keep working' is a pretty neutral way of putting it to be honest, seeing as the reality is he looks worse than half the fellas going on trying to hit the bar at half time.
PSB1
Player Valuation: £10m
Hopefully, Walton nick for impersonating a footy manager.
Bluelladevil
Player Valuation: £750k
He said “Beto has to keep working at his game." In other words, "his game", i.e. his ability is not what it should be. Beto is not a kid. If his game is not good enough now it never will be and Dyche has just highlighted that to any potential buyer. He is manager of our club getting paid £5m a year and he should have the intelligence to never say anything which is against the interests of the club and getting the maximum money for a player we don't want to keep is very much in the interests of the club. It's not hard to come up with anything non critical. "He's training well, he'll be ready if called upon". It's just self-serving nonsense from Dyche as usual.
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