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2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

Victus said:
I know you're joking but I moan enough watching on my dodgy streams I can only imagine how awful it is in person, it's weird too because at one point Dyche did play a pressing style and it worked quite well but he seems to have gone into some sort of shell lately.
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He was telling them before a ball was even kicked that they were in a relegation battle and as a result we are playing like it. Probably bored them to death with some tales about what it was like before he got here too or something.
 
Nymzee said:
I never called you insane, what am I apologising for there.

...Fulham, as previously discussed.

Again, it's not fact, it's your opinion. You're the only one basing max stadium attendance as the indicator of a bigger club.
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Okay, fair enough. At least I've explained my reasoning. What metric are you using to back up your claim that Burnley are a bigger club than Fulham?

Stadium size is absolutely relevant, though I admit it's not the only metric for all comparisons, but it seems the only valid one to me when discussing these clubs. Also Burnley attendance is one of the highest per capita in the country with an average prem attendance of 21,000. The town has a population of 78,000. That's less than half the population of boro who get more fans and have a better stadium.
 
John from Bootle said:
Okay, fair enough. At least I've explained my reasoning. What metric are you using to back up your claim that Burnley are a bigger club than Fulham?

Stadium size is absolutely relevant, though I admit it's not the only metric for all comparisons, but it seems the only valid one to me when discussing these clubs. Also Burnley attendance is one of the highest per capita in the country with an average prem attendance of 21,000. The town has a population of 78,000. That's less than half the population of boro who get more fans and have a better stadium.
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What's this got to do with anything?
 
John from Bootle said:
Okay, fair enough. At least I've explained my reasoning. What metric are you using to back up your claim that Burnley are a bigger club than Fulham?

Stadium size is absolutely relevant, though I admit it's not the only metric for all comparisons, but it seems the only valid one to me when discussing these clubs. Also Burnley attendance is one of the highest per capita in the country with an average prem attendance of 21,000. The town has a population of 78,000. That's less than half the population of boro who get more fans and have a better stadium.
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Boro and Fulham didn’t just get to the 2nd qualifying round of the Europa League to get knockout out by Olympiakos though did they, they got to the actual FINAL :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
MikeH72 said:
Boro and Fulham didn’t just get to the 2nd qualifying round of the Europa League to get knockout out by Olympiakos though did they, they got to the actual FINAL :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Yeah but Dyche's Burnley is more impressive because they had to walk uphill both ways to get there and the team was full of plumbers and brick layers. It's the equivalent of a final if you ignore a lot of the things and make up the rest.
 

Nymzee said:
What's this got to do with anything?
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Because it would indicate that there isn't a massive number of fans who just can't get to the game because the stadium is far too small. They're not a sleeping giant. Their stadium size is absolutely indicative of their standing. I;m not saying they couldn't get more in, but they're not massively underselling themselves either.
 
The binman chronicles said:
The strange thing is despite all the school of science stuff, Goodison generally reacts better to the anti-football qualities. The work ethic, the getting stuck in with a tackle that takes man and ball etc. Don't get me wrong there has to be quality when we get our foot on the ball and it can't just be lump up top and hope it sticks like now. However if we can see a pattern, that we will defend more often than not, but then attack with pace and power to get a decent shot away or get to the byline and put in a cross for the forwards to attack, then I think most would be happy.

I think Mourinho's us against the world chip on his shoulder, practically embodies Everton. Yes we won't play sparkling football, yet he won't let it get as dour as it is. It will probably end badly as it does everywhere he goes, if you prepare for that though and haven't caved in to all his demands then we might find we have a decent platform to get someone a bit more modern in. Same thing would happen again if you put 2024 Silva into the hot seat now. He and the players wouldn't be able to cope with the pressure of playing progressive football and you go back to square one. Mourinho/Simeone are good bridge managers to get us from where we are now to where we think we would like to be.
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Agree with the first half... Second half. Could also agree.
As long as we sack him after 2 seasons. Save us the turd season drama.
 
kenada_blue said:
Mainly due to incompetence at board level and nothing to with Big Scam. Although Newcastle did have a bump with Pardew not long after
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Yeah, sorry mate, I was a bit lazy with my original reply and didn't really get my point across.

I was making a point about fans hounding managers out because they don't like their style. Booting Allardyce from here arguably never paid off. We could have saved a bit of money, and had an actual bit of stability for another season.

Newcastle fans hated Allardyce and he got legged. They welcomed back Keegan with open arms and no shortage of glee. They got relegated the next season when everybody thought they were too good to go down. That was after Keegan threw his toys out the pram because he wanted money to "break into the top four" - their fans backed him. He resigned a few days after the transfer window closed. You can still smell the turmoil today, and history shows that it lead to their relegation.

Spurs fans hated Nuno and Mourinho, but booting them hasn't really paid off.

West Ham are on a never ending loop. They too legged Sam, and have since legged Moyes twice 😂

Coincidentally Blackburn also went to crap after sacking Sam, but I'm not sure their fans particularly disliked him.
 

But
John from Bootle said:
Yeah, sorry mate, I was a bit lazy with my original reply and didn't really get my point across.

I was making a point about fans hounding managers out because they don't like their style. Booting Allardyce from here arguably never paid off. We could have saved a bit of money, and had an actual bit of stability for another season.

Newcastle fans hated Allardyce and he got legged. They welcomed back Keegan with open arms and no shortage of glee. They got relegated the next season when everybody thought they were too good to go down. That was after Keegan threw his toys out the pram because he wanted money to "break into the top four" - their fans backed him. He resigned a few days after the transfer window closed. You can still smell the turmoil today, and history shows that it lead to their relegation.

Spurs fans hated Nuno and Mourinho, but booting them hasn't really paid off.

West Ham are on a never ending loop. They too legged Sam, and have since legged Moyes twice 😂

Coincidentally Blackburn also went to crap after sacking Sam, but I'm not sure their fans particularly disliked him.
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Nuno and Mourinho at spurs didnt live up to the previous manager,
So both failed,
Yes poch didn’t win anything but he built a very good side that got regular champions league football, you seem to love poor managers Nuno is not good enough for a top team, that’s why he was at wolves and now forest, spurs haven’t quite got it right,
But you can’t criticise their ambition,
Same as Newcastle and villa.

If you sole objective is to survive in the prem and finish 12th to 16th every year then give big Sam and dyche 10yr deals. All the top clubs even the ones winning trophies consistently change managers, a Carlo, klopp and a pep, don’t come around every week.
 
blueboy72 said:
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Nuno and Mourinho at spurs didnt live up to the previous manager,
So both failed,
Yes poch didn’t win anything but he built a very good side that got regular champions league football, you seem to love poor managers Nuno is not good enough for a top team, that’s why he was at wolves and now forest, spurs haven’t quite got it right,
But you can’t criticise their ambition,
Same as Newcastle and villa.

If you sole objective is to survive in the prem and finish 12th to 16th every year then give big Sam and dyche 10yr deals. All the top clubs even the ones winning trophies consistently change managers, a Carlo, klopp and a pep, don’t come around every week.
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Yeah, first off, I wouldn't even give Pep a 10 year deal.

I don't 'love' poor managers at all. I can be willing to show a bit of patience and hope for some stability without wishing that Dyche is our manager forever.

I'm not sure Nuno is good enough for a top team. It doesn't mean Spurs aren't going round in circles a bit though. They've wasted money and sacrificed any stability. Difference with them is they're not, or have not been walking a financial tightrope.

Dyche is a stepping stone for us. That's how I see him. Just because I'm in no rush to sack yet another manager, doesn't mean I want him here forever. I still look wistfully at Emery, and I was a huge supporter of Carlo.
 
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John from Bootle said:
Yeah, sorry mate, I was a bit lazy with my original reply and didn't really get my point across.
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John from Bootle said:
I was making a point about fans hounding managers out because they don't like their style. Booting Allardyce from here arguably never paid off. We could have saved a bit of money, and had an actual bit of stability for another season.

Newcastle fans hated Allardyce and he got legged. They welcomed back Keegan with open arms and no shortage of glee. They got relegated the next season when everybody thought they were too good to go down. That was after Keegan threw his toys out the pram because he wanted money to "break into the top four" - their fans backed him. He resigned a few days after the transfer window closed. You can still smell the turmoil today, and history shows that it lead to their relegation.

Spurs fans hated Nuno and Mourinho, but booting them hasn't really paid off.

West Ham are on a never ending loop. They too legged Sam, and have since legged Moyes twice 😂

Coincidentally Blackburn also went to crap after sacking Sam, but I'm not sure their fans particularly disliked him.
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They all know how to win games and survive in the prem. They imprint a style so when they do go, the successor struggles to maintain unless they're successful at changing it.

IMO there's a false idealism with the attraction for foreign coaches or "progressive" coaches because bottom line is regardless of brand of football, the average lifespan of a manager at a club is 2 seasons max.

So unless you get one who is very successful and supported beyond those 2 years and you're winning games, you're gone.
 

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