2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[blueboy72]

Not quite an excuse, but with hindsight I’m sure we’d have rather kept Townsend than have to go out and get Harrison for double the wages.

Do t you think we’ve got enough old injury prone players, as it is

 

[JLW]

That’s exactly my point. He arrived to a team battling relegation and what resources has he been granted to improve the team that he was given?

In 4 transfer windows, the club has given him Young, Beto, Chermiti, Iroebugnam, Ndiaye and O’Brien as permanent signings. All the while selling Onana, Iwobi, Godfrey, Gray, Mina & Townsend among others.

How many of those are Dyche signings and how many were foisted upon him? How many of those let go would he rather have kept?

Again, he has to do better with what he has and much of the criticism is valid but I do feel a degree of sympathy for the conditions he’s being expected to thrive in.

The 48 points last year has probably raised expectations beyond what I believe this squad is capable of.

He can’t do better he will always have huge spells of defeats because of his lack of coaching style and tactics!

I feel sorry for some of our players having to play under him.

 

[blueblue]

He won’t get another job after Everton will he?

Are you serious ?

After keeping Everton up for the last two seasons he will be more in demand than ever.

 

[Axlswhk]

He can’t do better he will always have huge spells of defeats because of his lack of coaching style and tactics!

I feel sorry for some of our players having to play under him.

I do feel sorry for any manager coming in and realise he has Young, Keane and Beto as starting options.

 

[nsno-chris]

Some folk desperately want a shiny new bucket to help plug this leak we’ve had for 4 years now.

Poor analogy, but assuming the leak is soon to be fixed, we don’t need a bucket anymore. We need a good caretaker.

No mate, some folk want a manager who can look at what is unfolding on the pitch and pro actively change for the better of the club.

Folk do not want a manager whose first thought is “we’ll play for a draw and anything else is a bonus”.

But when you play a second string Southampton side in the cup, folk do not want to watch 10 players creating a barrier 15 yards in our half with, no intention of trying win the ball back.

On one hand we get told that Dyche is a miracle worker because he got 48 points last season. But when things go bad this season, using the same tactics, it’s now a player issue

You can’t have your cake and eat it. If Dyche takes praise for 48 points then he gets critics for the utter car crash for all the points he’s dropped over the past 10 months which has resulted in 5 wins since January

 

[nsno-chris]

Are you serious ?

After keeping Everton up for the last two seasons he will be more in demand than ever.

He will not at all. He got Burnley to Europe once, and not one club showed an interest in him when he got canned.

Oh wait, a club in Qatar did

 

[ToffeeScot]

Are you serious ?

After keeping Everton up for the last two seasons he will be more in demand than ever.

He will be the next Big Sam et al. Never a first choice summer target but a mid season target for clubs who are in trouble near the bottom of the table.

 

[blueboy72]

This is funny, but sort of overlooked the point made.

I do agree Dyche's football isn't the future of Everton - and I should add I'm not a regular at the ground suffering this week in and out.

1. I say that because watching us week in and out playing like that must hurt.
2. I can't imagine taking my son to this for all the cost too, so it's also not good in the long term to just 'survive' like this
3. I do think relegation makes things worse, albeit possibly not for potential buyers, which is something I hate to acknowledge that could worsen our short and mid-term existence (next 2-5 seasons)

So the BRUTAL reality is Dyche's kept up a team I believe defo was relegation bound under previous managers (Lamps, Rafael etc), in the manner did Alladyce did and was also pilloried mostly by fans. This is because of style of play in Dyche's case his association to the general plight of the club - BUT most of which was caused by Koeman, Walsh, Mosh and that era of spending and loss of culture / mentality in the squad - and all the quick fixes made since that quickly burned out.

What must it be like trying to encourage young lads to put a shift in with the likes Dele Alli coasting around on huge page packets doing nothing for us?

We're still prem. Palace, Ipswich, Saints, Wolves and possibly Forest, Leicester will all be in it with us.

Dyche is playing with that broken squad of bits and pieces, seeing out the sh*t contracts. We've become slow starters, and we lack physicality, we have ageing players, and introducing new lads low on experience and confidence to resolve that.

It's horrible, it's not Dyche's fault, he's fixing it. We will stay up.

I'm not a Dyche fan as such, and tactics vs Bournemouth cost us 3 points when this furore over his position would be less of a distraction.

First big Sam didn’t save us from relegation, let’s stop with this nonsense. He took over in November we’re 12th/13th just beat West Ham 4-0, his first game was Huddersfield at home, the worst side in the league, we won 2-0 and went to 9th, 6 months later we were 8th. Also that season we had a very tough start fixture Wise, so he would have had a decent last 25/26 games, probably playing the majority of the bottom sides twice.

Lampard kept us up after Rafael, would have kept us up the season he got sacked, unlikely, but we don’t know. Like had we sacked dyche last season on that horrendous run And a new manager saved us, the majority would have said we would have gone if we kept dyche, so we don’t know what we don’t know.

This is now Dyche’s squad and team, it’s the 3rd time he’s gone back to Keane, the last 2 times failed and Nearly relegated us, until he woke up. He picks young every week if not starting it’s like his go to sub. He played McNeil and Harrison every week last season even though they stank the gaff out most weeks,
I read a stat and it could be wrong, that at one time or another, we had 10 players out of position during the villa game.

We have ageing players because he wants them, he wanted trippier and Phillips. Thelwell offered him 8 players he said no to them all. They were probably young and from abroad. We’ve bought Mangala in and he looks miles off, but he’s played in tbe prem before so that’s a big tick for Sean.

You can make as many excuses as you like, but we are horrible to watch, play the worst football in the league. Worst winless run in 60 years, 6-0 v Chelsea was our biggest defeat in years. Worst start this season since the 50’s. Back to back defeats from 2-0 I think that’s never happened before. And 5 wins in 30. That’s all
On Dyche’s watch. He shouldn’t be in tbe job now it’s a disgrace that he still is.

 

[DualityNSNO]

So the BRUTAL reality is Dyche's kept up a team I believe defo was relegation bound under previous managers (Lamps, Rafael etc), in the manner did Alladyce did and was also pilloried mostly by fans. This is because of style of play in Dyche's case his association to the general plight of the club - BUT most of which was caused by Koeman, Walsh, Mosh and that era of spending and loss of culture / mentality in the squad - and all the quick fixes made since that quickly burned out.

What must it be like trying to encourage young lads to put a shift in with the likes Dele Alli coasting around on huge page packets doing nothing for us?

We're still prem. Palace, Ipswich, Saints, Wolves and possibly Forest, Leicester will all be in it with us.

Dyche is playing with that broken squad of bits and pieces, seeing out the sh*t contracts. We've become slow starters, and we lack physicality, we have ageing players, and introducing new lads low on experience and confidence to resolve that.

It's horrible, it's not Dyche's fault, he's fixing it. We will stay up.

He did - the first time, hindering himself and hoping for a miracle, but that's a different topic.
2nd time - dreadful football, no wins for 4 months despite starting okay, playing favourites. Ah but we won against the RS, all is forgiven.
3rd time - some "deadwood" removed, new younger players added, they're not playing, we're losing, he's gone even further backwards in his game management and he's blaming the players and fans now.

He only knows to setup for a relegation fight so he's punching the club down to be a relegation candidate. Utter nonsense how last season we got 48 points and apparently now we should only expect a total of 17th as mid-table is unattainable for some reason, despite objective improvements in the squad.

Re the young players - Dele's not costing us anything anymore, or at least not his initial contract's worth, and young players are probably wondering why they're looking at players in their positions playing turbo garbage while they're getting blessed with 1 minute a game until we have no other choice but to play them and they're surprisingly not ready after not playing consistently.

Aging squad or not, average age is 27, not 47, and almost the same squad should've been midtable with the same manager last year. Now we've already been kicked down to "oh this is a relegation fight season again" by the same manager who got said midtable last year You (as in, people, not you specifically) can't keep crediting him for that and then ignoring it when it's not convenient for their own narrative.

He's not fixing it, he's a very active part of this same problem - it's not a sustainable model he's going for and it's not a positive model either. He doesn't have the capacity for it and never will, which is fine, but we literally need to kick on - new stadium and Dycheball is an actual nightmare, there's less and less people going to the game too. As I'm on record of saying this since his 1st day - he's not going to kick on, "relegation fights expert" is his forte, but we need to move forward, even if it's incremental.

I was in the same boat as you - get it done and leave - but I'm not even sure he can get it done anymore. He's suffering from the same thing he said to us when they beat us a few years ago - "Everton just don't know how to win". He's come in and reached the exact same point in record time - we have no idea how to control and win games, and everyone has us figured and sussed out. You can say it's a player issue all you want, but we're getting more technical players and he's slotting them in bizarre positions so he can play favourites and playing to none of their strengths.

We're hoping for an actual miracle run of 5-6 games, at least twice this season.

 

[GambianToffee]

You can’t have your cake and eat it. If Dyche takes praise for 48 points then he gets critics for the utter car crash for all the points he’s dropped over the past 10 months which has results in 5 wins since September.

Sure you can. It’s just balance. In the same way that others can say that “X” player and “Y” player are atrocious but simultaneously say that we have no alternatives and Dyche needs to get better results and performances.

Nobody, as far as I can see, is saying the manager is immune from criticism. Far from it. He’s made mistakes and must do better. We’re almost in October and we’ve been statistically the worst side in Europe’s top leagues by any metric you care to measure. I’ll absolutely criticise Dyche.

But I can also say that he did a great job last season, especially with the points deductions and all the noise around that. He got more out of players I never thought possible. McNeill, Doucoure and Branthwaite, too. He deserves credit for that.

This season, he’s had to sell Onana and he’s been without several of our best players. It’s been a poor start yet again but he deserves time to turn it around, in my opinion.

 

[nevsonlymate]

But he was about their 100th choice in all fairness.

I know a big criterium for Bayern is also to speak German, which Kompany does.

Dyche obviously speaks a foreign language as none of the players seems to know what to do or follow his game plan

 

[Iana]

Dyche obviously speaks a foreign language as none of the players seems to know what to do or follow his game plan

He’s finally morphed into Allardychi - “continental relegation specialist”

 

[Simon Buttle]

Sure you can. It’s just balance. In the same way that others can say that “X” player and “Y” player are atrocious but simultaneously say that we have no alternatives and Dyche needs to get better results and performances.

Nobody, as far as I can see, is saying the manager is immune from criticism. Far from it. He’s made mistakes and must do better. We’re almost in October and we’ve been statistically the worst side in Europe’s top leagues by any metric you care to measure. I’ll absolutely criticise Dyche.

But I can also say that he did a great job last season, especially with the points deductions and all the noise around that. He got more out of players I never thought possible. McNeill, Doucoure and Branthwaite, too. He deserves credit for that.

This season, he’s had to sell Onana and he’s been without several of our best players. It’s been a poor start yet again but he deserves time to turn it around, in my opinion.

This in itself is highly debatable though. Given the deductions and appeals they amounted to 8 points which is less than a 3 game losing streak so hardly season changing and Dyche himself was more than happy to refer to it as "Off field noise" for much of the season. It only came into play when the team was going through a near 4 month winless spell and all of a sudden Dyche very conveniently starts too mention it all of a sudden.
The problem Dyche has got imo (Not his fault by any means) is that he is on huge money for a guy at a team at the bottom end of the table, he is on CL manager money so it's understandable why fans are frustrated with him and expect a bit more imo.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Sean, why don't you f off?

 

[blue to the bone]

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