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2022/23 Sean Dyche

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windymiller said:
It all depends on what we can do in the summer and what the outcome of the FFP stuff is. If we can sign a striker, two fullbacks and a creative midfielder (not superstars, just competent, reliable non-injury prone players) and we don't face a points deduction then I think we should aim higher. If we can't and/or we get a points deduction then we just have to cross everything because gravity always wins in the end.

Despite what some may think, I have nothing against Dyche, he did a decent job keeping us up. I didn't think he would but he did and he has my gratitude and I don't begrudge him a chance at the job. However, even his biggest cheerleaders on this forum are predicting he will get us somewhere like 15th which is why I can't get excited by him or, by extension, his Everton side. I hope he proves me wrong and we play swashbuckling football to a top half finish but I suspect we will eek out points to a 13th -18th placed finish. Hopefully not 18th.
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Don't forget just how sh1t we are.
 

windymiller said:
What does stabilising even mean in this context? Not getting relegated? If it's that then, bizarrely, we're the most stable club in the history of English football. Maybe you mean financially stable? Rich investors aren't necessarily the answer to that either. Moshiri spent a lot of money and we got worse. Even if the Sultan of Brunei bought us he couldn't spend because of FFP and PL profit and loss rules. Also, just two replies ago you said finishing 15th for multiple seasons wasn't the goal but now just "the possibility of getting safe for the next few seasons" is something you state we should be thankful for. What's happened to you, man? Have they really ground you down this far?
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I said it wasn't lour perpetual goal. But it should be in the next few seasons.

We've jusy come off two seasons weorth of relegation fight. You get that because the players are not particulalry that good and our spending had tanked. That'll be roughly the same for the next couple of seasons, so having a specialist in here who knows what he's doing with a club with limited resources is a very good idea. IMO.
 
We're a basket case! Lucky to get anyone really. We belong at the top but thats even with a fair wind, and by some miracle we actually get there, thats minimum 5 years away imo.

We all imagine we could be good managers, getting a side together that clicks, has good chemistry, works hard and plays good stuff. Sean will be no different. We don't actually know what he'll be like if he assembles a decent squad. We don't even know what his preferred type of player is. What I do know is he has inherited a squad short on confidence with some players unable to trap a bag of cement or pass a ball 10 yards. Its realism time in my opinion, lets get back to winning more than losing, change the mentality and see where it takes us.
 
Why is 15th acceptable all of a sudden, because we have financial problems?
We had 20 years before Moshiri came in with financial issues and we never accepted 15th, so why now?

Our ambition next season for some on here is to finish above
Luton
Sheff Utd
Burnley
Forest
Bournemouth

lollollollollollollol
 

I'm happy to give Dyche a chance, let's not forget he got Burnley into Europe after a season battling relegation. I am not saying it will happen next season but it is possible, Villa went from relegation to europe in a season. I appreciate Emery is a fantastic manager but it shows with the right recruitment and a team pulling in one direction it can be done.
 
davek said:
I said it wasn't lour perpetual goal. But it should be in the next few seasons.

We've jusy come off two seasons weorth of relegation fight. You get that because the players are not particulalry that good and our spending had tanked. That'll be roughly the same for the next couple of seasons, so having a specialist in here who knows what he's doing with a club with limited resources is a very good idea. IMO.
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The culture at the club is rotten, you can see that in seasons of two half's when a component manager came in and clubbed together performances.

Self awareness is required because - we are that bad on the pitch - we are that bad off the pitch and the club is a skip fire - and it badly needs a leader.

We are in a league of 11 down next season, progress will be process rather then an event, it will and should be incremental - those with ambitious of competing for Europe next season just aren't realistic - we've tried throwing money at instant success it doesn't work, it has no substance, the only think that has substance is building and taking a step up the ladder.

Being realistic about our problems and limits isn't being unambitious, being realistic is the only way to achieve ambition incrementally. We've been here before with Moyes - we know the drill.

Anything else is bananas.
 
Eggsyblueskin said:
His football is dire
I despise teams who habitually surrender possession, relying on breakaway goals
We need to set our pathway forward to become better than we are and retaining Dyche represents parking in another cul-de-sac of nothingness.
Doesn’t need to be a big name manager , someone on their way up, Schumacher for instance.
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Genuine question , what other brand of football can you play when your midfield and front line are so poor in possession and have no pace to get back once they give the ball away up the pitch ?

Our players simply are not good enough to play decent football, apart from garner , literally everyone else struggles to pass forward
 

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