2022/23 Sean Dyche

[chicoazul]

Bathing mate. Missus in UK for 3 weeks. Just had to re read the instructions on the TV remote. lol

Ariste mate. Hope you’re enjoying the peace and quiet in the sleepy winter there.

 

[Goat]

Just wait till they switch to Wages % of revenue.

Then you will all know true terror.

 

[Villa_Fan]

Spot on. A rule change needs 14/20 clubs to vote for it (incl. PL's FFPS) - hence meaning min. 14 clubs are for how the FFP currently is. The FFP is there to keep the so-called top 6 is bs. Our own club has been voting for it time and time again.

Why would 14 teams vote to keep 6 at the top? And why did Man City vote against it?

 

[mahermi1]

It needs scrapping, Chelsea have found a way around it

 

[Saint Domingo]

The top 6 make absolute fortunes through sponsorship and player sales and we don’t, that’s why they can spend more than us. I really don’t know why this has to keep being pointed out. Our commercial performance is absolute diarrhoea, as is our ability to make a profit on players. If we didn’t keep buying players for £30m and releasing them for free then we’d be allowed to spend loads too.

We can undoubtedly improve our player trading profit and loss to give us more room but we’ve actually sold Lukaku Stones Gueye Richarlison Digne Lookman Gordon all at the top of their market value for us. It’s the buying side that has been absolutely dreadful.

Those top teams had huge sponsorship deals before regulations shut the door, that’s the point, it makes it extremely difficult for a team outside this established group to break in.

Leicester or Villa could have their best season ever whilst United or Spurs finish tenth but if they both go out for a kit sponsor that summer then there’s no way the first two get a higher value deal than the second.

Chelsea have been extremely good at player trading no doubt, but what about United, who have they sold recently? Arsenal allowed Ozil Aubemayang Lacazette and Pepe to just fall off their deals, and then just dropped 100s of millions all over their team to replace them. Liverpool haven’t sold anyone for decent money since Coutinho. Can Wijnaldum Lallana Origi all walked out for nothing. Doesn’t affect their spending at all.

The gate was shut behind an established group of teams and now it’s extremely difficult to prize it open. You’d an go back and point the finger at the people at Everton who let us fall away from this top group over the PL years absolutely and that is fair but just denying that the financial regulations cause barriers for teams wanting to get in this group now is ridiculous.

 

[bcblue1878]

No, i jumped this ship half a year ago. Im not into S and M and watching Michael Keane in a football team resembles that. Still, i hoped for good fortunes but Lampard was out of it. And now Dyche. With him the ride with Sam Allardyce will seem like modern football.

Let me guess, Man City or them across the park are lucky enough to have your support” now?

 

[MikeH72]

The point is though, do we need a system to oversee what appears good financial sense.

Yes mate because Everton are absolutely stupid enough to go under as a business without the rules being in place to try and stop us. The idea behind FFP (or what it’s pitched as anyway) is to stop scenarios like Portsmouth, Bolton, Leeds etc happening.

 

[derek duvall]

They’re different things though.

we’re down at the bottom because we’ve recruited poorly and wasted money - absolutely

But if we’d spent it wisely it’s highly unlikely we’d be challenging at the top.

People can say that Leicester or Brighton have recruited better than us sure, but trying to make out that we could have been up where Arsenal or City are if we’d spent money better in 17/18 is ridiculous.

Oh yes. Fully agree with you here. That’s just borderline delusional to think we’d get to think that level.

I think it’s fair to say being healthier on the pitch (regular Top 7-10 finishes) and being a stable football off it ie improving our commercial side etc isn’t unrealistic and should have been the benchmark. To be in the situation we are in now, 7 years into Farhad’s reign, is just unthinkable.

 

[Cjplennon]

It’s not mutually exclusive to admit that Everton have absolutely destroyed themselves but also to recognise that the current financial regulations favour the established elite teams over those breaking in.

Doesnt make any difference if those breaking in can pump unlimited money in for 'sponsorship', class it as profit and fiddle the FFP to outspend everyone. I mean what happened at Man city and now at Newcastle - did they suddenly become a massive commercial sucess overnight and generate masses of profit. No the system is bollox and totally corruptible of you have owners with more money than sense.

 

[Villa_Fan]

But there are two purposes to FFP (broadly).

1) Fairness

2) Financial stability

(And a third of simplicity).

On the first, how is it in any way fair to allow different teams to have different spends? It's just entrenching inequality? Or a system that allows for one team to soend hundreds of millions in 6 months, while we cant spend anymore having spent similar in 7 years.

On the 2nd, it's not helping clubs remain financial stable. Clubs are still in a awful financial situation. It could be argued, that putting sanctions on a team just makes this even worse.

Regarding simplicity, I think I've covered a bit, but above, but nobody could say the system was simple.

First point: Different clubs have different amounts of money. The purpose of FFP is to stop crazy owners from rolling the dice and putting the club's viability at risk. So clubs can only spend within their means. This protects clubs from going out of business. Clubs with more money should be allowed to spend more than clubs with less money.
It couldn't be argued that preventing clubs from spending more money has them in a worse financial position. What would happen EFC if Dyche was given 200m to spend and bought a load of dross and EFC got relegated and Moshiri decided to leave the club and cut off all funding leaving the club in debt?

 

[MikeH72]

Doesnt make any difference if those breaking in can pump unlimited money in for 'sponsorship', class it as profit and fiddle the FFP to outspend everyone. I mean what happened at Man city and now at Newcastle - did they suddenly become a massive commercial sucess overnight and generate masses of profit. No the system is bollox and totally corruptible of you have owners with more money than sense.

Why weren’t we smart enough to do this?

 

[Swartzy]

BREAKING NEWS:

Sean dyche will not be named EVERTON Manager this wkend...

The announcement has had to be put on hold until he can explain the 4 4 2 system to the squad.
Which has become quite tricky after 2 days work with the players.. ?

 

[Mrtallywacker]

@Mrtallywacker

Gammon, beef or chicken?

God bless.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Doesnt make any difference if those breaking in can pump unlimited money in for 'sponsorship', class it as profit and fiddle the FFP to outspend everyone. I mean what happened at Man city and now at Newcastle - did they suddenly become a massive commercial sucess overnight and generate masses of profit. No the system is bollox and totally corruptible of you have owners with more money than sense.

Well that’s the other side of the coin. If you can’t get CL revenues within 3 years then you have to inflate your commercial revenues to keep spending.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Just wait till they switch to Wages % of revenue.

Then you will all know true terror.

Well that just means the people at the top of the club will actually have to do their job for a change. They are going to have to sell players for actually money with Charlies face on it and they are going to have to come up with ides on how to start generating proper revenue streams into the club. If the current incumbents can't do this (we know they can't) then Moshiri is going to have to find people who can.