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2022/23 Sean Dyche

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The problem with defensive solidarity comes from having no presence up front. One of doucoure or onana has to get forward to be a physical presence which leaves us vulnerable in transition. You can remove that and make us more solid but then a team that struggles to score will create even less chances. Its a tough one to balance.

Probably hyperbole on my part and dyche will like all managers have to bear responsibility for the results as that's the job he took. That being if he's there from day one he absolutely keeps us up, there is no question the clown lampard wasted our most winnable fixtures. Lots of other blame to quite rightly go around, how much of it goes to dyche is a tricky question, depends on the nature of the relegation.

Comparing this season to last season is ridiculous though. Its a different job, different squad, different league, different opposition.
I absolutely agree about the issues up top but then neither of those players are suited to playing up front. It absolutely removes what Onana is good at - he isn't Fellaini - and Doucoure needs space to run into.

But ultimately it's up to the manager to make tweaks and if he needs a physical presence up top then the only one we have is Simms. He's not good enough, we know that, but then maybe he should be a little less kind on the board and useless DoF in his press conferences.

Dyche has made mistakes IMO. The Keane one is a huge red flag to me. Lampard did also waste fixtures against Wolves and S'ton. Draws, even,out of those games and we're in a much better position right now.

It's not really ridiculous to compare however. The squad is lacking one key player from last year - Richarlison. You could argue it's stronger, numbers wise, in defence and midfield, but Richarlison's impact can't be overlooked. Throw in Gordon but all that was was hard work, there was little quality there, and I'd say right now we're getting as much out of McNeil as we did Gordon last year - hard workers with little quality end product.

The opposition I'd argue is generally worse as in there's more teams that are all poor. However, there's not two standout poor teams like Norwich and Watford. But Leeds lost their two best players, S'ton are still reliant on JWP, West Ham can't get a run together and Leicester are all over the place.

Both managers joined at the same stage of the season, both will have had 18 games and if Dyche doesn't keep us up then he's failed. If he does then well done, but his agent has of course ensured his nice fat bonus for simply doing his job.

FWIW I like Dyche, and right now he's the right pick. Had he been in a few games earlier stuff might look a lot better. But we're 6 games in and we're still shipping dreadful goals - it's actually getting worse, too. We've conceded sloppier goals and chances in the last two games than we had in the previous four. That needs to improve.
 
Yet they created nothing until Doucoure gave away the ball with our other midfielders all running past him leaving us exposed. There was no need to change anything, we were doing ok.

don’t agree we was sitting deeper and deeper he needed something else he didn’t do it and we drew bad bad game management with his subs and i thought frank had left
 

He also had Gordon who got a few goals for him. Richarlison only missed one game for Lampard (Arsenal).
Gordon got two goals for Lampard, one was a flick off v Leeds that had nowt to do with him and that effort v United.

What Gordon did do was work hard, but I don't think we can compare that differently to what McNeil is doing now under Dyche. In fact I'd say McNeil is actually creating more than Gordon did. Gordon had hard work last season but, and I said this at the time, not much else.

You're right on Richy, but he was injured - has said so himself - and played through the pain barrier. We are missing that quality and as I said that isn't on Dyche. But DCL was equally as unreliable for Lampard as he is now.

But he's doing certain things that he has to be questioned for, just like Lampard had to be questioned too when he was playing mad high line v Spurs. Individual mistakes aren't on him but it's worrying that such a defensively organised manager still has us looking so weak - because the players are poor and then he's compounding that by playing players like Keane.
 
I absolutely agree about the issues up top but then neither of those players are suited to playing up front. It absolutely removes what Onana is good at - he isn't Fellaini - and Doucoure needs space to run into.

But ultimately it's up to the manager to make tweaks and if he needs a physical presence up top then the only one we have is Simms. He's not good enough, we know that, but then maybe he should be a little less kind on the board and useless DoF in his press conferences.

Dyche has made mistakes IMO. The Keane one is a huge red flag to me. Lampard did also waste fixtures against Wolves and S'ton. Draws, even,out of those games and we're in a much better position right now.

It's not really ridiculous to compare however. The squad is lacking one key player from last year - Richarlison. You could argue it's stronger, numbers wise, in defence and midfield, but Richarlison's impact can't be overlooked. Throw in Gordon but all that was was hard work, there was little quality there, and I'd say right now we're getting as much out of McNeil as we did Gordon last year - hard workers with little quality end product.

The opposition I'd argue is generally worse as in there's more teams that are all poor. However, there's not two standout poor teams like Norwich and Watford. But Leeds lost their two best players, S'ton are still reliant on JWP, West Ham can't get a run together and Leicester are all over the place.

Both managers joined at the same stage of the season, both will have had 18 games and if Dyche doesn't keep us up then he's failed. If he does then well done, but his agent has of course ensured his nice fat bonus for simply doing his job.

FWIW I like Dyche, and right now he's the right pick. Had he been in a few games earlier stuff might look a lot better. But we're 6 games in and we're still shipping dreadful goals - it's actually getting worse, too. We've conceded sloppier goals and chances in the last two games than we had in the previous four. That needs to improve.

i seriously think he’s been brought in looking next season i think the ship has sunk
 
Gordon got two goals for Lampard, one was a flick off v Leeds that had nowt to do with him and that effort v United.

What Gordon did do was work hard, but I don't think we can compare that differently to what McNeil is doing now under Dyche. In fact I'd say McNeil is actually creating more than Gordon did. Gordon had hard work last season but, and I said this at the time, not much else.

You're right on Richy, but he was injured - has said so himself - and played through the pain barrier. We are missing that quality and as I said that isn't on Dyche. But Dominic Calvert-Lewin was equally as unreliable for Lampard as he is now.

But he's doing certain things that he has to be questioned for, just like Lampard had to be questioned too when he was playing mad high line v Spurs. Individual mistakes aren't on him but it's worrying that such a defensively organised manager still has us looking so weak - because the players are poor and then he's compounding that by playing players like Keane.

we’ve got 3 CHs on the bench funny how since keane has been starting we’re conceding more goals

hmmmmm we can see it sean
 
i seriously think he’s been brought in looking next season i think the ship has sunk

Half the players he's currently using now won't be here if we get relegated. Do you think he'd be good with the kids? The vast majority of them would be who we will be relying on if we go down as we'll need to shift so many players who are on big PL wages.
 

Gordon got two goals for Lampard, one was a flick off v Leeds that had nowt to do with him and that effort v United.

What Gordon did do was work hard, but I don't think we can compare that differently to what McNeil is doing now under Dyche. In fact I'd say McNeil is actually creating more than Gordon did. Gordon had hard work last season but, and I said this at the time, not much else.

You're right on Richy, but he was injured - has said so himself - and played through the pain barrier. We are missing that quality and as I said that isn't on Dyche. But Dominic Calvert-Lewin was equally as unreliable for Lampard as he is now.

But he's doing certain things that he has to be questioned for, just like Lampard had to be questioned too when he was playing mad high line v Spurs. Individual mistakes aren't on him but it's worrying that such a defensively organised manager still has us looking so weak - because the players are poor and then he's compounding that by playing players like Keane.

I don't think the quality of the goals really matters now, does it?

All I said was your main point of Dyche being better than Lampard and should automatically bridge the points gap ignores the gaping hole up top that Lampard didn't have to deal with.

You can be the better manager and still understandably perform worse after losing someone that got 6 goals, 3 assists in the run in.
 
I don't think the quality of the goals really matters now, does it?

All I said was your main point of Dyche being better than Lampard and should automatically bridge the points gap ignores the gaping hole up top that Lampard didn't have to deal with.

You can be the better manager and still understandably perform worse after losing someone that got 6 goals, 3 assists in the run in.
No of course it doesn't but it's not like we had some quality forward line last year is what I'm pointing out.

Lampard did have to deal with a gaping hole up top. A half-fit Richarlison wasn't firing at all until about mid-April. The main issue for both managers has been Calvert-Lewin's injuries.

Dyche is a better manager, but he's also making mistakes. His subs are crap, even with such a dearth of options he's so reactive rather than proactive, and playing Keane honestly is just ludicrous.
 
interesting quote fromSporting Life today......
"In six games under Dyche, the Toffees have racked up an average of 1.59 xGF per game, and that ranks them as the seventh most potent attacking team since the managerial switch.That is impressive especially as they have played Arsenal twice and Liverpool away in that time, so there are positives for Everton."
 
interesting quote fromSporting Life today......
"In six games under Dyche, the Toffees have racked up an average of 1.59 xGF per game, and that ranks them as the seventh most potent attacking team since the managerial switch.That is impressive especially as they have played Arsenal twice and Liverpool away in that time, so there are positives for Everton."
Aye it's positive but it means nothing when we're throwing them in at the other end.

We've conceded eight goals in the space of three games. That's as bad as anything Lampard did.

It shows a) the players just really are crap and b) the manager we have in place needs to find a way that can be limited.
 

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