2022/23 Sean Dyche

[Blue peter]

Two years of garbage play is not necessary. The DOF should sit him down and discuss what his plans are for preseason and next season. If the idea Dyche has isn't to significantly progress things beginning next year he should be relieved and someone who does have a plan for that hired.

To think we can turn this mess around in a season I’m afraid is delusional and theoretical at best. If it were that easy we’d have done it ages ago. We need to be measured in our expectations. We can’t on the one hand bemoan players who can’t pass a ball and then expect them to play with a style because we think the manager should be able to coach them when even Ancelotti couldn’t get them playing that way.

You need to churn the squad over successive transfer windows with a coherent coaching strategy for that to work - two years is reasonable to 1) avoid relegation thus season (as they won’t exactly be playing with complete freedom at this stage and 2) start to develop style of play whilst brining in some new additions budget permitting

 

[TheBigIguana]

To think we can turn this mess around in a season I’m afraid is delusional and theoretical at best. If it were that easy we’d have done it ages ago. We need to be measured in our expectations. We can’t on the one hand bemoan players who can’t pass a ball and then expect them to play with a style because we think the manager should be able to coach them when even Ancelotti couldn’t get them playing that way.

You need to churn the squad over successive transfer windows with a coherent coaching strategy for that to work - two years is reasonable to 1) avoid relegation thus season (as they won’t exactly be playing with complete freedom at this stage and 2) start to develop style of play whilst brining in some new additions budget permitting

It won't get turned around in a season. But we can stop the garbage and start doing the right things to turn it around at any given point. It doesn't require two years.

 

[blulouie]

Nope. The international game and club team require vastly different management.

Well not really.

A round ball , 11 v 11 , played on a grass pitch with a goal either end.

The objective being the side that puts the ball in their opponents net more than their own wins.

If its the same either end its a draw.

At ALL levels of football.

 

[Blue peter]

What about the qualification process as well. It's footy, it's winning things, how does the amount of games played make a difference?

Good point about qualification - never considered that. Was just more thinking about the actual tournament….I just think you see luckier cup wins in general e.g. Swansea, Birmingham than you do league wins eg Leicester because more consistency is required over a longer run of games

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Dyche has done a good job. I would like to see us have more comebacks like yesterday when we are behind because we tend to fold in those situations. He finally got the midgame adjustments right to salvage a draw from a losing position. Big point

 

[TheBigIguana]

Well not really.

A round ball , 11 v 11 , played on a grass pitch with a goal either end.

The objective being the side that puts the ball in their opponents net more than their own wins.

If its the same either end its a draw.

At ALL levels of football.

Yes it is the same sport on the field. But you don't just manage on the field.

 

[blulouie]

Yes it is the same sport on the field. But you don't just manage on the field.

There's no difference whatsoever, some love watching the Dutch "Total football" as its very easy on the eye.
Ask any Forest fan how Brian Clough set his teams up , sheer graft & hard work , yet he was considered one of the best managers ever. And he had the trophies to prove it.

There is no greater saying in football than " It's a results business"

That goes for EVERY level.

 

[TheBigIguana]

There's no difference whatsoever, some love watching the Dutch "Total football" as its very easy on the eye.
Ask any Forest fan how Brian Clough set his teams up , sheer graft & hard work , yet he was considered one of the best managers ever. And he had the trophies to prove it.

There is no greater saying in football than " It's a results business"

That goes for EVERY level.

You don't even know what you're arguing about man

 

[blulouie]

You don't even know what you're arguing about man

Uh ?

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

You don't even know what you're arguing about man

@MikeH72 he's off again tonight. Sean Dyche this time. Wants us to play prime Brazil 1970 while slugging it out in the bottom of the league.

 

[Rob17896]

That will never be on the agenda until Premier League safety is achieved.

There won't be any talk of styles of play , the only emphasis is getting the results to keep us up.

As it should be. Cant believe how well he has changed results. Eight matches, a basket case now getting points and people are moaning about style. Beyond belief.

 

[blulouie]

As it should be. Cant believe how well he has changed results. Eight matches, a basket case now getting points and people are moaning about style. Beyond belief.

Exactly .

 

[LocalNative]

Anyone looking beyond the next game and towards next season and even the one after need to give their head a wobble.

We’re not in a position to demand at the moment. We need Dyche to do whatever he can, however he can, to keep us in the league.

 

[LeeCarsley]

Two years of garbage play is not necessary. The DOF should sit him down and discuss what his plans are for preseason and next season. If the idea Dyche has isn't to significantly progress things beginning next year he should be relieved and someone who does have a plan for that hired.

Everton should be the Atletico Madrid of England and I think Dyche can achieve that. More than one way to skin a cat and I think we need to shed the idea that we need an archetypal progressive manager to progress further, ultimately we need to improve the squad next season or it won't matter what manager we have as no one will be able to play a decent style with the current crop.

 

[toffeeblue9]

You don't even know what you're arguing about man

Strangely enough, that's exactly what I've been thinking about your posts today.

I've got no idea what your point is.

Is the football great? Not really

Is it getting results? More or less as things stand

Would I like to watch a more attractive style? Yes

Do I think we should deviate from what we are doing right now? Nope

Do I think the football we are playing is a function of the footballing ability of the squad at our disposal? Pretty much

Would it be nice to play better football next season? Of course

Will I care as long as we win games and aren't in a relegation scrap? Not particularly