Lob
Player Valuation: £50m
In a nutshell mate.
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polish
Player Valuation: £35m
It surprises me that people criticize him for the style we play. Am I alone in the fact that we play the best football in years under him?
Uncomparable to Benitez and Lampard. Even under Carlo we were more ruthless than exciting and didnt create as many chancess.
Uncomparable to Benitez and Lampard. Even under Carlo we were more ruthless than exciting and didnt create as many chancess.
Ah yeah Benitez is definitely making the same charts and calculating percentages, and not just swimming in his pool of lard like the fat swine he is.
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
Not for me.
I’m not a fan of his brand of limited football.
I was going to refer to as it functional but it’s not even that.
I look at the football that our next opponents are playing and I am filled with envy.
It frustrates me that Brighton are capable of developing into a footballing side but we are seemingly incapable of emulating their progress and must continually revert to this low skill, low possession, unintelligent and simplistic style of play.
It’s tedious and uninspiring to watch, and if I wasn’t an Everton supporter I wouldn’t waste my money and time going to watch it.
We're a club that has inept people at the helm, a chairman that thinks it's still the 80s and he should be dealing with things, and absolutely no one to tell him "no" as he's accumulated a staggering amount of yes men over the years.
Brighton are not like that - clear operation with a good structure and everyone doing what they are paid to without meddling.
Are you having a laugh mate?
Just watch Brighton a team put together on a fraction of our budget and tell me that you still think Dyche plays good football.
Or better still compare Burnley last season and this season with Kompany in charge.
I accept that we attacked against Leicester and that was an improvement but you can hardly describe it as good football.
GoldenToffee
Player Valuation: £70m
Yeah but at least he got the lads wearing shin pads and filling out questionnaires. Diabolical, outdated manager.
Loved watching Iwobi hoof the ball to literally no one 10 times in a row, what do you mean?!
We have absolutely no clue going forward, but it's okay because our manager is known for "defensively strong" teams. However, we also concede goals for fun.
So what's he good at except sounding like a washing machine full of gravel?
Hes playing as an expansive a game to the limit of the talent of the players mate and in the context we are in were we need to be balanced, polish has a point, hes overall playing as expansively as i think is possible within the talent level and limits of the squad - certainly no where near the defensive manager stereotype that's often portrayed.
Brighton are two hundred times better run then us, that's not down to the manager, Kompany is playing in a league below - so the comparison isn't reasonable.
He's done well for getting some directness out of this clown fiesta, but it's not exactly a coordinated effort - we're expecting the hoof to work, which is annoying. Before that it was "give it to McNeil on the left and he'll cross it aimlessly".
Those are not attacking plans of any sort, those are the definition of "hit and hope".
What annoys me even more is that we're defensively so shaky, it feels like he's not really improved it that much, just got his own lads in to play.
Not sure that wholly fair mate, we have countered a lot in games as well, Gray, DCL Doucoure. In the squad the varinece is limited, this time last year we had Richarlison and Gordon who could break a line, carry the ball and penetrate and a returned DCL. This year we sold both didnt replace them and DCL has had two and half games under Dyche - (four points when he played). Im not sure our style of play is that limited, but it is limited to what we can do to optimise our attack based on the players we have.
Is the manager limited or is the squad limited, glaringly obvious to me the squad is limited, asset stripped and unbalanced, and we are funneled into maxmising those limits - its what a good manager should do in my opinion.
Agree defensively in a sense, but overall i think the team is poor - not that i wont support them - but when the team overall is better and in control of games - other teams dont get up the pitch - our defense comes up against a high frequencey of attacks compartively to other teams purely because its a bad team. The higher the frequency of opposition attacks the more chance you have of conceding. So it becomes about balance, we need to score, we need to defend how much do you focus on and pritorise each and whats your attitude to risk.
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
It’s entirely subjective , but during his career his style of play has remained the same, it’s never been what I would regard as expansive, quite the opposite in fact.
Burnley took the decision to dismantle his squad and head in a different direction and are have now gained promotion playing an admirable style of football under Kompany.
I expected to be unimpressed by his brand of football but I confess I have been surprised by his lack of footballing intelligence.
A very limited manager who purveys a very limited style of football.
He’s not for me I’m afraid.
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That's a balanced take honestly. We did start well with countering (or trying to as much as we can) but removed that quickly for... some reason. With DCL back there's more hope but there's also more hoof and less organisation. I have absolutely no doubt it's instructions as in the last game they just tried their best to aim at/around DCL and hope he does something somehow. It worked for the pen, obviously, but most the time it was "2-3 passes, reaches a winger, HOOF". That's not a good sign for the future, this is our current (limited, but still) best attacking lineup, and this is what the Dyche solution is? No movement and hoof don't present a good structure.
He's sussed out that we need to shoot and now we do so on sight FWIW, I personally like that in a combination with direct passing, fair enough.
The defending has been shocking, as has been his personal defending of Keane - that adds to the limited players instead of fixing them. Not that his replacements are Beckenbauers, but they're at least better, even Lamps saw it; he's just got a favourite though and will never drop him, ever, so that's also poor.
In general I see why/how it's about balance, but what he's trying to do isn't balance. We started off promising, 1 person from that setup out and instantly 4-4-2 high line, which was random and the effects were obvious as we were horrendous. He persisted with that though, because... reasons? And to your point about risk - there is no playing for a risky outcome here. We're going for safe draws and are happy with them, even if it costs us our prem place. That's what Dyche gives you.
Also to add to the boiling pot of criticism he suffers currently btw - our early wins when he came in were without Keane lol We played some very stable and decent stuff at the back with Coady and Tarks, but then had to change to the Deadly Burnley Duo as soon as Keggers was up and fit. Started him instantly against Arsenal in the return fixture and we got absolutely pumped - only did so because Coady got turned inside out badly by a pacy player... which is unironically what Keane does against not very pacy players lol but for Coady 1 mistake was enough whereas for Keggers giving away stupid penalties and making errors makes him the "best player on the pitch" and whatever other praise he heaped on him.
Then we go on to not using subs, or playing centre backs at right/left back because they have "experience"; it's what we knew was gonna happen but hoped he'd went out and learned. Alas, nothing like that, same old Dyche.
Someone said it in the Newcastle (I think?) thread - Howe, while 'away from the game', went to any manager with the idea to learn and improve and is now having his team play very well in so many ways. Dyche probably went on holiday for a bit then stayed up terrorising the housewives around Burnley.
His limitations are glaring and I'd prefer if he wasn't here to build anything with us after this season. We've also naturally gifted him a several year contract so we're stuck, like always.
Each to their own mate, lads are entitled to their opinion, dont agree myself, i think hes taken on probably the toughest job in the PL with the biggest limits. Its not like we're sitting here with him having dropped £50 mill a season, with a squad hes built, in a stable club, at a club that hasn't asset stripped all its best players, that isnt at Cival war, in a relegation battle - i mean in that context 10 games hes been here, to be overly harsh given the adversity i think is massively unjusitfed.
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