2022/23 Sean Dyche

[DualityNSNO]

I remain in the meh camp and he's definitely not a manager for the future as his game management, despite getting 1 game correct for 45 minutes ( ) is still crap tier. Also playing favourites for about 6 games too long until the fans get on his back heavily is a sign he's stubborn and will remain stubborn.

Hope I'm wrong and he has a magical turnaround and stops being crap at it, but very much doubt that'll happen and it will always be this way.

Big sign of things to come will be the team that goes out against the remaining few games, especially against City, and how we set up to play really.

 

[roy vernon]

I'm not sure we really have the financial leeway for a rebuild at this stage, if Dyche can lay more certain foundations along with Bramley Moore - maybe then is the time to cross that bridge.

I'm not sure mate, I think the way forward for us has to be young players, from the academy, or from European leagues. I see Dyche more as the bring in established experienced players, who will want big wages and who's value will drop like stones. Short term Dyche is ok, but, once we get into the new stadium, he is not the man for a rebuild, he won't be signing younger players whose value will increase and trading upwards.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I suppose there's always the possibility that the level of questioning had increased because his performances had got worse, and that a professional football manager was able to see that in the same way you can, but sure, him listening to the fans seems more logical.

I think there’s a bit of goalkeeper syndrome as well. Everyone thinks theirs isn’t very good and makes all these basic errors that no other keeper in the league makes.

Most managers are stubborn and don’t make the changes at the pace that the fans want them to. A lot of them seem to follow certain patterns as well (no subs in first half, wait 5 mins into second half before any subs, subs normally on about 60 mins, very rarely sub CB or keeper, bring on extra CB when in the lead for last few minutes).

Fans think they know best but I’ve lost count of the amount of times we’ve alls aid on here ‘he should play x instead of y’ and then the manager has done that and it’s made no difference or even been worse.

I can imagine that managers have access to a lot of data which informs their decisions and probably a lot of it supports the benefits of players playing together regularly and consistency of performances from minimal changes.

Fans seem to expect Everton managers to overperform with the resources they have, have the right tactical plan and starting line up every game, and also be tactically better than every other manager in the league in game to make the right subs at the right time. People seem to forget there’s another manager and team in opposition to us that makes all of this more difficult.

Dyche got it very right against Brighton in just the same way he got it very wrong against Fulham. He might have won v Leicester with a sub but if he’d got that wrong then they’d be on 32 points now and maybe we don’t have the confidence to beat Brighton and we’d be nailed on to be relegated.

The manager is absolutely critical at the football club for sure and if you have an underperforming one it’s an issue but in my view Dyche is not underperforming with these players, he may even be over performing a bit given he’s not had Calvert Lewin fit. Football fans sometimes seem to want the absolutely perfect manager otherwise no manager is good enough. Hate to break it but he doesn’t exist and our recent cycle through just about every type of manager possible over the last 6 years should start to make it clear to people that without a decent group of players then most managers are limited in what they can get out of a squad over a season.

 

[Furey1878]

I've been a harsh critic of Dyche but he played yesterday perfectly.
I'm still concerned with this inability to change systems. They made 4 changes at the half and but for an outstanding Pickford performance it would have been a lot closer.

So, on the plus side,
great counter attacking tactics.
Clear improvement in fitness levels
Clearly improving some players confidence.
Reaping the benefits of not rushing DCL back

on the negative side.
Doesn't seem to have a plan B
Doesn't make subs at the right times, or enough. And when they come, I still question them.
I doubt Dyche would ever make 4 tactical changes at half time.
Seems to be very stubborn.

Overall, great result and probably the best appointment for the job at hand
but I'd still prefer a clean slate for next season.

He would 100% make subs at half time if we were 3-0 down.

 

[Simon Buttle]

I remain in the meh camp and he's definitely not a manager for the future as his game management, despite getting 1 game correct for 45 minutes ( ) is still crap tier. Also playing favourites for about 6 games too long until the fans get on his back heavily is a sign he's stubborn and will remain stubborn.

Hope I'm wrong and he has a magical turnaround and stops being crap at it, but very much doubt that'll happen and it will always be this way.

Big sign of things to come will be the team that goes out against the remaining few games, especially against City, and how we set up to play really.

I share a similar view, I think the real test will be what happens in the summer myself. Stay up and he will have to oversee a very specialized and well planned pre season to make sure this never happens again. Go down and he is going to have a massive rebuilding job with limited funds on his hands.

 

[DualityNSNO]

He would 100% make subs at half time if we were 3-0 down.

He would make at most 1 and even that 100% is definitely not 100% lol

 

[Furey1878]

Yeah I don't think he coped with the forced absence of onana, doucs and Coleman but he is still in credit for me. After Brighton he showed a real eye for tactics against a specific team

To be fair, it was a tough run of fixtures in that time. Man U (A), Fulham (H), Palace (A) and Newcastle (H). The Fulham game obviously sticks out as a massive missed opportunity but from the other three, a single point is about what I'd expect.

We had a system that was working, 4-5-1 with Doucoure supporting the striker. Dyche changed it as Doucoure is key to that. Would we have been better just playing whatever CMs we had (Gueye, Garner and Davies) to try and accommodate the system? Maybe. But I think equally, had we done that and still only got a point or two, I think people would have been slating him for not changing his system to accommodate the players we did have available.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I share a similar view, I think the real test will be what happens in the summer myself. Stay up and he will have to oversee a very specialized and well planned pre season to make sure this never happens again. Go down and he is going to have a massive rebuilding job with limited funds on his hands.

Yeah that's true as well, but wasn't a big reason we went for him in the first place that he knows what it's like to work with 0 money?

Thing is we, as fans, probably want to see progress in the club and get promising younger players.

Sean Dyche, as a "proper Brexit man" will want 30 or so year old experienced grocks.

I am not looking forward to Jay Rodriguez starting every game to be honest.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Yeah that's true as well, but wasn't a big reason we went for him in the first place that he knows what it's like to work with 0 money?

Thing is we, as fans, probably want to see progress in the club and get promising younger players.

Sean Dyche, as a "proper Brexit man" will want 30 or so year old experienced grocks.

I am not looking forward to Jay Rodriguez starting every game to be honest.

You say that but the team selections don’t really prove it

McNeill has started most games ahead of Gray the more experienced older option

Patterson is now playing right back because his form is better than Holgate and Godfrey’s

Onana was playing every game for us but now Garner has come in, both young players

He’s played Simms ahead of Maupay at times including away at Anfield

I don’t think Dyche would turn down a young player if he was good enough, he played McNeil when he was even younger at Burnley obviously.

The problem at Everton (and most clubs in fairness) is that some of these young players in the academy just aren’t good enough.

 

[Number_25]

If he keeps us up, he'd have done a great job.

I'm hoping we see a serious injection of capital this summer as the squad needs work - but I don't forsee us having another season like the last two with him at the helm.

 

[Lanolin]

I think there’s a bit of goalkeeper syndrome as well. Everyone thinks theirs isn’t very good and makes all these basic errors that no other keeper in the league makes.

Most managers are stubborn and don’t make the changes at the pace that the fans want them to. A lot of them seem to follow certain patterns as well (no subs in first half, wait 5 mins into second half before any subs, subs normally on about 60 mins, very rarely sub CB or keeper, bring on extra CB when in the lead for last few minutes).

Fans think they know best but I’ve lost count of the amount of times we’ve alls aid on here ‘he should play x instead of y’ and then the manager has done that and it’s made no difference or even been worse.

I can imagine that managers have access to a lot of data which informs their decisions and probably a lot of it supports the benefits of players playing together regularly and consistency of performances from minimal changes.

Fans seem to expect Everton managers to overperform with the resources they have, have the right tactical plan and starting line up every game, and also be tactically better than every other manager in the league in game to make the right subs at the right time. People seem to forget there’s another manager and team in opposition to us that makes all of this more difficult.

Dyche got it very right against Brighton in just the same way he got it very wrong against Fulham. He might have won v Leicester with a sub but if he’d got that wrong then they’d be on 32 points now and maybe we don’t have the confidence to beat Brighton and we’d be nailed on to be relegated.

The manager is absolutely critical at the football club for sure and if you have an underperforming one it’s an issue but in my view Dyche is not underperforming with these players, he may even be over performing a bit given he’s not had Calvert Lewin fit. Football fans sometimes seem to want the absolutely perfect manager otherwise no manager is good enough. Hate to break it but he doesn’t exist and our recent cycle through just about every type of manager possible over the last 6 years should start to make it clear to people that without a decent group of players then most managers are limited in what they can get out of a squad over a season.

Yeah great post mate. Dyche has made and will make mistakes, but how anyone can think he realistically should have got more out of this squad than he has I honestly don’t know. Obviously narratives pick up pace so now Keane was costing us 3 goals a game for months and the fact we’d only actually conceded 8 in the 6 games prior to Newcastle and went into that game on the back of our second away clean sheet of the season is irrelevant. Same with the subs thing, there’s a valid criticism that in some games he could have done more to change things, but the criticism has just become a parody of itself with people making out like we’re leaving proven match winners on the bench all the time and making up mad scenarios in their head where things could have turned out completely differently and so doing the thing that ended well actually wrong.

 

[roy vernon]

You say that but the team selections don’t really prove it

McNeill has started most games ahead of Gray the more experienced older option

Patterson is now playing right back because his form is better than Holgate and Godfrey’s

Onana was playing every game for us but now Garner has come in, both young players

He’s played Simms ahead of Maupay at times including away at Anfield

I don’t think Dyche would turn down a young player if he was good enough, he played McNeil when he was even younger at Burnley obviously.

The problem at Everton (and most clubs in fairness) is that some of these young players in the academy just aren’t good enough.

McNeill was a favourite of his at Burnley and he trusts him. Patterson is only playing at right back because the two very limited central defenders he has played here have been a disaster, so he is now playing the only fit right back he has available. Onana was his only option untill Garner was fit, now he has the choice, but, has to play one young central midfielder because he has nobody else and he played Simms ahead of Maupay at Anfield and was it Old Trafford? Really gave him a chance to shine there.

Don't get me wrong, Dyche is making a far better fist of this than Lampard could have, but, to oversee the total rebuild which is needed, and it'll have to be done on a negative spend budget and at a reduction in the wage bill...I just don't believe he is the solution in anything other than the short-term.

 

[DualityNSNO]

You say that but the team selections don’t really prove it

McNeill has started most games ahead of Gray the more experienced older option

Patterson is now playing right back because his form is better than Holgate and Godfrey’s

Onana was playing every game for us but now Garner has come in, both young players

He’s played Simms ahead of Maupay at times including away at Anfield

I don’t think Dyche would turn down a young player if he was good enough, he played McNeil when he was even younger at Burnley obviously.

The problem at Everton (and most clubs in fairness) is that some of these young players in the academy just aren’t good enough.

We have literally no other left winger than McNeil. If he gets injured we're actually goosed. Gray is a right winger and he's starting Iwobi ahead of him, no doubt experience issue.

Patterson is now playing right back, right after the failed experiments of Godfrey several times and out of nowhere Holgate, no doubt because they have experience.

Onana is literally one of our 4 midfielders, he absolutely has to play either him or Garner as we play a 3 in midfield and it's those 2, Doucure and Gana. I'm glad at least that he's sussed out Davies for the fact he's absolute hot garbage and barely playing him, despite having experience. That's the real shocker.

He played Simms ahead of Maupay in games where our playstyle absolutely isolated him and created nothing, no doubt deeming him unworthy of anything but a sub appearance. It was in his time of putting the midget "footballer" up top and hoofing to him lol

At Burnley McNeil spent a year on the bench/reserves, then half a season where he played once and then went either on the bench or with the reserves for 6 months lol Understudy to the sheer class of 32-33 year old Aaron Lennon, and the only reason McNeil actually started games was because Lennon got seriously injured. This was also discussed at length a bit back so not getting back into it, but the situation is/was the same with Keane and others - until he absolutely has to play them, he will not, because he's got some old fart barely existing in the same position but having some intangible qualities that Dyche probably says he can smell on them.

We defo don't have 10 Messi's waiting in the lines, but he's literally known as not being one of those "give youth a chance" managers, and he likely won't be until he ABSOLUTELY HAS to. Same with subs - no earlier than the 75th minute unless the player is either injured or getting torn a new one so big he's about to shatter (ala Godfrey).

As I said - I really want to like him, but his style of management is downright stuck in 30 years ago thinking. If, and again a huge if, that changes with some normalcy and stability in the club (and another big if - if we avoid the drop) and we recruit well - sure. But on current form I'd like to not see more absolutely dreadful pensioners signed and playing regularly to be quite honest. Or Michael Keane.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Fans think they know best but I’ve lost count of the amount of times we’ve alls aid on here ‘he should play x instead of y’ and then the manager has done that and it’s made no difference or even been worse.

I can imagine that managers have access to a lot of data which informs their decisions and probably a lot of it supports the benefits of players playing together regularly and consistency of performances from minimal changes.

Good point.

Dyche had all the technology and information in the world and decided that he should start and hoof the ball to Maupay.

Same technology told Dyche we have sit back and offer nothing ever for Simms - could've had Zlatan up top and he won't influence the game when we're playing 9-0------------------------------1 as a tactic lol Then obviously decided he's not ready.

Bit bollocks as a statement really - we say that as fans because we can see that player X is absolute garbage in the current set up. Then when the manager removes player X and puts in player Y, but also changes literally everything around him and we don't play the same way - yeah, it looks daft. We tried to play direct but on foot with Simms for 10 minutes against Chelsea and he already looked a better footballer. Then stuck him up front again with no support in the next game, absolutely hanging him out to dry lol

 

[davek]

Yeah that's true as well, but wasn't a big reason we went for him in the first place that he knows what it's like to work with 0 money?

Thing is we, as fans, probably want to see progress in the club and get promising younger players.

Sean Dyche, as a "proper Brexit man" will want 30 or so year old experienced grocks.

I am not looking forward to Jay Rodriguez starting every game to be honest.

He voted Remain.