2022/23 Sean Dyche

[ClausThomsen]

Yea, agreed. Like I said, I think he got yesterday 100% spot on.
I was more talking in general. I've seen no interest in changing up formations or players mid game to respond to circumstances.
That worked for us yesterday but not in every game.
I get that stubbornness is a common trait among the best but we had a shocking April while it was abundantly clear that Mina and Patterson should have been playing.
And sure, no manager wants to be in a position where they have to make 4 changes at the half but it's important that a manager has the ability to do that in his locker.

April was not great but I'm not in the shocking camp. Fulham was a very poor result and performance but that aside I don't think there were any results there that were notably poor or an upset in any way, shape or form.

I'm with you on the selection of the likes of Godfrey & Keane over Patterson & Mina though.

 

[CielosGrises]

Some credit to Dyche for accepting that Godfrey, Keane and Onana were in poor form and quietly doing something about it - even if it should have been sooner.

Also some credit for getting performances out of McNeil and Doucoure,

McNeil and Iwobi on the wings also affords some protection to Myko and Patterson - it's good to see that working against Leicester and Brighton.

 

[Lanolin]

I actually think he’s a load better than the team position is maybe showing. Are any of those teams in and around us winning 5-1 at Brighton? Coming back against Spurs being a man down (and we absolutely put the pedal down in that period even before Moura got a red). We could have been 4 up in the first half against Arsenal who were top of the league at the time.

They’re not normal things for a team low on confidence near the bottom of the league. They don’t just happen because we ‘had a go’ or ‘Spurs were crap’ or ‘Brighton were tired’. They happen because of Dyche’s tactical set up and game plan. We’ve had two of our best away performances in ages in the last two games with some of the worst players we’ve had in the PL.

He’s now averaging over a point per game with THIS group of players (would probably be far higher if he’d ditched Keane earlier). Over a full season that’s 40 points and that’s without having a capable striking option for most of the season.

Now imagine we give him a full preseason, get someone to keep Keane out the team, get him some decent attacking players to compliment and replace Calvert Lewin when he’s out. Do you think he has us anywhere near relegation trouble? No.

He’s revitalised McNeill, he’s got Doucoure in his best position, he’s got Calvert Lewin fully fit playing probably the most compete game I’ve seen since his spell under Ancelotti, Garner is playing well, Pickford is playing well, Tarkowski is playing well, he’s reintegrating Patterson. Players are improving under him. Set piece defence seems to have improved, we’re looking more dangerous on offensive set pieces too.

He’s also not scared to make big decisions (regardless of whether they work out). He moved Iwobi out wide, dropped Coady, benched Gray, dropped Onana our marquee signing, now he’s dropped Keane.

I just think we need to back him in the summer to get rid of who he wants out and get in extra firepower because I think he could actually do a very good job for us and we could see similar wins to what we saw at Brighton a bit more regularly.

I think if we stay up he's a good manager for us to have in the short term. We need to stop chasing rainbows and just try to have a couple of solid enough seasons where we aren't in major danger and have a bit of stability in terms of the manager and the way we play. I'm not sure he's ever going to push us much beyond that but at the moment that's all we need and rolling the dice yet again to get someone more exciting would just cause us more problems in my opinion. If we go down it's slightly different, I think he'd have to change his ways a bit if he was going to be the manager in the championship.

 

[Del-boy]

Good analysis of Dyche’s tactics for the Brighton game on YouTube. FourFourTwo has done a video on it. Well worth a watch.

 

[gedefc]

Gueye was bang on right to take yellow for the team, we've conceded a few goals this season that should have ended sooner with a cynical hacking the half way line

spot on

 

[Marius57]

This was a different type of game from his usual. He tries to press really high and cause mistakes. He also tends to try and get the first goal when we are fully healthy then grind it out.

Today we were just smashing them on the counter and we didn’t let up all game. And we don’t even have counter attacking players! It just worked. Great game plan but I assume it made everything easy for him when we snagged a goal in the first 50 seconds.

One of the best away performances we have seen for a while and a lot of cracking goals.

Targeted the fact that the gaps between their midfield and defence is always big and their defenders are slow grocks. By allowing them to press high, we could capitalise on it.

Keep seeing people saying we need to play a similar game against city and use that counter attack. But their CBs are much more athletic and we won’t have the speed. Hopefully Dyche can pull something out the bag

 

[Ruairi77]

Targeted the fact that the gaps between their midfield and defence is always big and their defenders are slow grocks. By allowing them to press high, we could capitalise on it.

Keep seeing people saying we need to play a similar game against city and use that counter attack. But their CBs are much more athletic and we won’t have the speed. Hopefully Dyche can pull something out the bag

I'm actually a bit more concerned about the last two games.
Neither wolves or Bournemouth will attack so we'll be back to using a high press and hoping we don't leave our center backs in no mans land.
Mina did great against Brighton but he might prove invaluable in the last two games.

 

[Walken]

Some credit to Dyche for accepting that Godfrey, Keane and Onana were in poor form and quietly doing something about it - even if it should have been sooner.

Also some credit for getting performances out of McNeil and Doucoure,

McNeil and Iwobi on the wings also affords some protection to Myko and Patterson - it's good to see that working against Leicester and Brighton.

Yeah I don't think he coped with the forced absence of onana, doucs and Coleman but he is still in credit for me. After Brighton he showed a real eye for tactics against a specific team

 

[Zatara]

Somebody tried to give him credit for bringing Mina in for Keane and you effectively said it had only been done because the press and forums were giving him stick.

I think to a large extent you have to trust players not to get a second yellow, it's just common sense really. It's one thing when somebody's clearly walking a tightrope but none of them last night were. You can't take 4 players off for the last half an hour just on the off chance that one of them is going to get a second yellow card. Obviously if he'd done that and they'd come back into it people would have said what on earth was he thinking that was madness etc, because for some reason some people are completely incapable of just accepting that he isn't an incompetent idiot and don't want to give him even the tiniest modicum of credit for guiding the team to an absolutely massive win, preferring to focus on him making the 'wrong' substitution in the 87th minute. It's very, very, weird.

Yeah wasnt saying i was Mourinho or anything

I definitely think being asked in interviews, seeing online and in print as well as fans pushing for Mina swayed him.

You can talk about "trusting players not to get yellows" but weve just seen Doucoure and Holgate sent off in recent weeks...were in a perilous position and need to make sure we dont take too much risk in those situations.

Doesnt only affect the game...but the next as well.

Some people just dont like him. He could miraculously keep us in the PL thos season and then miraculously take us into the top half next season. Then some people would say Dyche is limited and taken us as far as he can etc etc etc.

Many liked him when he came in and had us playing in a similar way to yesterday. But as soon as Doucoure was out he went full weirdo and didnt seem to have a clue.

Is there a plan B? Doesnt seem so...can he create a plan B over preseason? No idea.

I enjoyed the dogs of war under Royle and like to see more of that which hes brought -- he just needs to stick to that style and not tinker.

That ref … I swear he was trying to put us in A few 2 soft yellow cards for a red scenario. Was convinced we’d be down to 10 second half at some point

Definitely seemed like he wanted to slap us down.

 

[Lanolin]

Yeah wasnt saying i was Mourinho or anything

I definitely think being asked in interviews, seeing online and in print as well as fans pushing for Mina swayed him.

You can talk about "trusting players not to get yellows" but weve just seen Doucoure and Holgate sent off in recent weeks...were in a perilous position and need to make sure we dont take too much risk in those situations.

Doesnt only affect the game...but the next as well.


Many liked him when he came in and had us playing in a similar way to yesterday. But as soon as Doucoure was out he went full weirdo and didnt seem to have a clue.

Is there a plan B? Doesnt seem so...can he create a plan B over preseason? No idea.

I enjoyed the dogs of war under Royle and like to see more of that which hes brought -- he just needs to stick to that style and not tinker.



Definitely seemed like he wanted to slap us down.

Last week he was the most stubborn man in the world and this week he based his team selection in a massive game on what people said on GOT. Makes sense.

Yes, people get sent off for second yellows, they also get sent off for straight reds and can even get 2 yellows in very quick succession. That's just how the game works. I genuinely don't think i've ever seen a team take 4 players off because they were on yellow cards, it is an absolutely ludicrous suggestion and again is just desperation to have a go at the manager instead of a) giving him a bit of credit for what is being seen by pretty much everyone else in the footballing world as a brilliant tactical plan or b) just not saying anything at all if you really can't bring yourself to say something nice. Like I said, it's very odd to need to knock him even after a game like that. Quite disturbing really.

 

[PKwalnuts]

I actually think he’s a load better than the team position is maybe showing. Are any of those teams in and around us winning 5-1 at Brighton? Coming back against Spurs being a man down (and we absolutely put the pedal down in that period even before Moura got a red). We could have been 4 up in the first half against Arsenal who were top of the league at the time.

They’re not normal things for a team low on confidence near the bottom of the league. They don’t just happen because we ‘had a go’ or ‘Spurs were crap’ or ‘Brighton were tired’. They happen because of Dyche’s tactical set up and game plan. We’ve had two of our best away performances in ages in the last two games with some of the worst players we’ve had in the PL.

He’s now averaging over a point per game with THIS group of players (would probably be far higher if he’d ditched Keane earlier). Over a full season that’s 40 points and that’s without having a capable striking option for most of the season.

Now imagine we give him a full preseason, get someone to keep Keane out the team, get him some decent attacking players to compliment and replace Calvert Lewin when he’s out. Do you think he has us anywhere near relegation trouble? No.

He’s revitalised McNeill, he’s got Doucoure in his best position, he’s got Calvert Lewin fully fit playing probably the most compete game I’ve seen since his spell under Ancelotti, Garner is playing well, Pickford is playing well, Tarkowski is playing well, he’s reintegrating Patterson. Players are improving under him. Set piece defence seems to have improved, we’re looking more dangerous on offensive set pieces too.

He’s also not scared to make big decisions (regardless of whether they work out). He moved Iwobi out wide, dropped Coady, benched Gray, dropped Onana our marquee signing, now he’s dropped Keane.

I just think we need to back him in the summer to get rid of who he wants out and get in extra firepower because I think he could actually do a very good job for us and we could see similar wins to what we saw at Brighton a bit more regularly.

Didn't want Dyche- Don't want Dyche.

But this is spot on.

He has to keep us up before I start to warm to him at the helm though

 

[Zatara]

Last week he was the most stubborn man in the world and this week he based his team selection in a massive game on what people said on GOT. Makes sense.

Yes, people get sent off for second yellows, they also get sent off for straight reds and can even get 2 yellows in very quick succession. That's just how the game works. I genuinely don't think i've ever seen a team take 4 players off because they were on yellow cards, it is an absolutely ludicrous suggestion and again is just desperation to have a go at the manager instead of a) giving him a bit of credit for what is being seen by pretty much everyone else in the footballing world as a brilliant tactical plan or b) just not saying anything at all if you really can't bring yourself to say something nice. Like I said, it's very odd to need to knock him even after a game like that. Quite disturbing really.

Its pretty clear what the facts are. He played Keane every week until the media and fans ramped up the questioning of why he was playing...to the point where it was everywhere Everton related.

Thats a simple fact.

I have no ideat what youre correlating here...comparing some posters questioning subs (lack of) with a tactical masterclass.

Two totally different conversations.

 

[roy vernon]

He's doing a much better job than Lampard would have, I think we would have been relegated by now had Lampard not been replaced. I thank him for that and, if he keeps us up, I will not begrudge one of those millions in his bonus payment. I think, should he keep us up, that the club will stick with him untill we are in the Bramley Moore, I think then all bets are off.

He has his favourites and stubbornly sticks with them for far too long, I don't think you has a plan b if things start going away from us during games and his use (or lack of use) of substitutes is appalling. He left Holgate on at Palace, when it was obvious to get everyone, bar him, that he would get a red card and he left Godfrey on against Newcastle, when he was being absolutely destroyed. Against Leicester, he didn't make any unforced changes, despite there being so many tired legs, perhaps Gray on for the last 15 mi utes could have won us the game.

in my view, he was a good appointment to steady the ship, but, should he successfully keep us up, he is not the man to rebuild us.

 

[Lanolin]

Its pretty clear what the facts are. He played Keane every week until the media and fans ramped up the questioning of why he was playing...to the point where it was everywhere Everton related.

Thats a simple fact.

I have no ideat what youre correlating here...comparing some posters questioning subs (lack of) with a tactical masterclass.

Two totally different conversations.

I suppose there's always the possibility that the level of questioning had increased because his performances had got worse, and that a professional football manager was able to see that in the same way you can, but sure, him listening to the fans seems more logical.

 

[CielosGrises]

He's doing a much better job than Lampard would have, I think we would have been relegated by now had Lampard not been replaced. I thank him for that and, if he keeps us up, I will not begrudge one of those millions in his bonus payment. I think, should he keep us up, that the club will stick with him untill we are in the Bramley Moore, I think then all bets are off.

He has his favourites and stubbornly sticks with them for far too long, I don't think you has a plan b if things start going away from us during games and his use (or lack of use) of substitutes is appalling. He left Holgate on at Palace, when it was obvious to get everyone, bar him, that he would get a red card and he left Godfrey on against Newcastle, when he was being absolutely destroyed. Against Leicester, he didn't make any unforced changes, despite there being so many tired legs, perhaps Gray on for the last 15 mi utes could have won us the game.

in my view, he was a good appointment to steady the ship, but, should he successfully keep us up, he is not the man to rebuild us.

I'm not sure we really have the financial leeway for a rebuild at this stage, if Dyche can lay more certain foundations along with Bramley Moore - maybe then is the time to cross that bridge.