2022/23 Sean Dyche

[Azza]

My opinion is that your opinion that there isn't a difference in attitude towards Dyche compared to Lampard is wrong.

I used @Goat as the example as he was who you originally quoted me on.

I've no doubt that Dyche is being treated a lot differently to Lampard - I don't recall fans on here calling for Lampard to be sacked even if he kept us up. I've saw a lot of that for Dyche.

A reminder - Lampard took over a team in 16th, and 4 points clear of the relegation zone - with a game in hand;

Lampard had Richarlison (and Gordon to be fair), and was able to bring in 2 players he wanted in van de Beek and Dele Alli.

Sean Dyche took over this;

No doubt whatsoever, Sean Dyche keeping Everton in the Premier League is a bigger challenge than what Lampard had.

But because Sean Dyche is Sean Dyche, he's having some fans undermine and downplay the challenge he had.

I don't think many of downplaying the challenge of keeping us up.

I think people just know what Sean Dyche as a manager would bring. With Lampard there was an unknown for this season which I why I think people were oaky for him to stay after keeping us up. Sadly it turns out he's actually a pretty dire manager.

How we're playing right now will be exactly how we play next season under Dyche.

 

[Bluboyz]

Blimey most of you are stuck on that hamster wheel. Do you really think he would play the same way if he was managing City s players. We cannot pass the ball. Have you not been watching. He has done what he can with the players he has. He has got us fitter. More organised and more resiliant. This has taken time but has been transformed by Doms return. I m confident he ll recruit wisely. No more players afraid to head the ball like Iwobi. My only critisism is Maupay. I like most i presume do not see what he brings at all. He was totally anonymous against City as in all his other appearances. If Simms had just run about closing people down that would have been a lot more than Maupay. I m in my sixties and i swear blind that i am quicker than him right now! UTFT!

 

[Azza]

Blimey most of you are stuck on that hamster wheel. Do you really think he would play the same way if he was managing City s players. We cannot pass the ball. Have you not been watching. He has done what he can with the players he has. He has got us fitter. More organised and more resiliant. This has taken time but has been transformed by Doms return. I m confident he ll recruit wisely. No more players afraid to head the ball like Iwobi. My only critisism is Maupay. I like most i presume do not see what he brings at all. He was totally anonymous against City as in all his other appearances. If Simms had just run about closing people down that would have been a lot more than Maupay. I m in my sixties and i swear blind that i am quicker than him right now! UTFT!

More organised and resilient.

What? lol have you not seen how much we're shipping goals.

 

[Stoffee]

The way he's played isn't much of a concern to me with the situation we are in. Next season will be the judge.
His use of subs is and I also worry about his use of youth (im not talking kids with no experience but maupay constantly over simms baffles me) but again if we stay up that's one to review next season.

 

[GoldenToffee]

More organised and resilient.

What? lol have you not seen how much we're shipping goals.

In fairness you can only play what's been given to you. The main criticism I have of him is was his loyalty to Keane, which he finally realised. Maybe too late, I am not sure. It's tough when your only left back is crap, your right back is in his 28th season with us and his challenger is a young lad still adapting to the league, and, for the past three years, our only real quality centre half hasn't been able to prove his fitness over an extended period of time (which is why I can kind of understand Dyche wanting to give two other centre halves an extended opportunity to gel and play together - which he obviously tried with Keane and Tarkowski before realising it doesn't work and going back to Mina and hoping he'll buck the trend and stay fit for the first time).

To think he's got McNeil looking like an actual footballer, has seen the rebirth of Doucoure, and has seen DCL put in five starts in a row without injury (granted that may or may not have ended now).

I am not big Dyche fan, but he's head and shoulders better than Lampard. If we stay up I'd prefer we move away from Dyche, but it definitely won't happen.

 

[Kirkles]

He's not going anywhere, not sure why people think Bielsa or Rodgers would come in and miraculously get this lot playing.

 

[roy vernon]

I think he's here until Bramley Moore, or new ownership, which ever comes first. I didn't want him, but, he was brought in to do a job, keeping us up, and if he achieves that, he will be given next season.

Provided the mass sale of players and the replacement of them doesn't happen next season, I can go along with that. If, however, the club decide to sell Pickford, Onana, Iwobi and Calvert Lewin and replace them with cheaper options, I really don't have confidence in Dyche to oversee that. We would be liable to sign out of contract journeymen on reasonably high wages, rather than looking abroad for hungry, energetic younger players, who, while they may cost a fee, would be on lower wages and have a sell on value.

I think that, up to now, he has, on the whole, done a decent job, I think Lampard would have had us relegated weeks ago, if he keeps us up, that decent job becomes a good job. I would have to say though, his blind loyalty to certain players and his reluctance to use subs worries me. On the other hand, some of our counter attacking play has been very nice to watch. I still believe that a full season in the premier league under Dyche will be another season bobbing around in the bottom 6.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

The fixture imbalance Dyche has had vs Lampard shouldn’t be underestimated, Dyche has still only had one home game against a team from the bottom half, and got three points against Leeds.

Lampard’s two from seven is absolutely criminal. Do even reasonably well in those games and we’re sipping pina coladas.

 

[Cameron Manning]

I think he's here until Bramley Moore, or new ownership, which ever comes first. I didn't want him, but, he was brought in to do a job, keeping us up, and if he achieves that, he will be given next season.

Provided the mass sale of players and the replacement of them doesn't happen next season, I can go along with that. If, however, the club decide to sell Pickford, Onana, Iwobi and Calvert Lewin and replace them with cheaper options, I really don't have confidence in Dyche to oversee that. We would be liable to sign out of contract journeymen on reasonably high wages, rather than looking abroad for hungry, energetic younger players, who, while they may cost a fee, would be on lower wages and have a sell on value.

I think that, up to now, he has, on the whole, done a decent job, I think Lampard would have had us relegated weeks ago, if he keeps us up, that decent job becomes a good job. I would have to say though, his blind loyalty to certain players and his reluctance to use subs worries me. On the other hand, some of our counter attacking play has been very nice to watch. I still believe that a full season in the premier league under Dyche will be another season bobbing around in the bottom 6.

Yes I think Dyche has made a few mistakes which have been pointed out by many supporters but Inthink many would agree that he also done very well to keep us in a position where we have a good chance of staying up and unfortunately, because of the calamitous way the club has been run for many years, having to start the fight again of avoiding relegation next season. It’s going to be quite a few years before we are going to be a club fighting in the top half of the table.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

I think he's here until Bramley Moore, or new ownership, which ever comes first. I didn't want him, but, he was brought in to do a job, keeping us up, and if he achieves that, he will be given next season.

Provided the mass sale of players and the replacement of them doesn't happen next season, I can go along with that. If, however, the club decide to sell Pickford, Onana, Iwobi and Calvert Lewin and replace them with cheaper options, I really don't have confidence in Dyche to oversee that. We would be liable to sign out of contract journeymen on reasonably high wages, rather than looking abroad for hungry, energetic younger players, who, while they may cost a fee, would be on lower wages and have a sell on value.

I think that, up to now, he has, on the whole, done a decent job, I think Lampard would have had us relegated weeks ago, if he keeps us up, that decent job becomes a good job. I would have to say though, his blind loyalty to certain players and his reluctance to use subs worries me. On the other hand, some of our counter attacking play has been very nice to watch. I still believe that a full season in the premier league under Dyche will be another season bobbing around in the bottom 6.

If we are going to sell what limited quality we have and replace with cheap options I'm not sure any manager in the world gets anything more than another relegation battle out of the squad. And, if that's the case, I'm not sure anyone does much better than Dyche in that scenario because the only option is to grind. Bear in mind that transfer policy in that scenario comes from Thelwell and the recruitment side with limited input from the manager, so would likely be a combination of the two things you mention: out of contract journeymen (Gana, Tarkowski), and spending on younger players (Garner, Onana).

 

[roy vernon]

If we are going to sell what limited quality we have and replace with cheap options I'm not sure any manager in the world gets anything more than another relegation battle out of the squad. And, if that's the case, I'm not sure anyone does much better than Dyche in that scenario because the only option is to grind. Bear in mind that transfer policy in that scenario comes from Thelwell and the recruitment side with limited input from the manager, so would likely be a combination of the two things you mention: out of contract journeymen (Gana, Tarkowski), and spending on younger players (Garner, Onana).

I think our problem is, all the many managers we bring in have a massive say in who we sign. As we get through so many managers they all bring in their type of players, then they get sacked and the next manager doesn't like the players he has inherited and pushes to bring in his choices, then he gets sacked and...rinse and repeat. That's how we have managed to get such an unbalanced squad.

 

[Papa Shango]

I don't think many of downplaying the challenge of keeping us up.

I think people just know what Sean Dyche as a manager would bring. With Lampard there was an unknown for this season which I why I think people were oaky for him to stay after keeping us up. Sadly it turns out he's actually a pretty dire manager.

How we're playing right now will be exactly how we play next season under Dyche.

Is that a bad thing?

I don't think we have been too bad to watch under Dyche by and large. The football under Lampard was mind numbingly dull.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

He's not going anywhere, not sure why people think Bielsa or Rodgers would come in and miraculously get this lot playing.

Don't entertain them myself I've heard my cat chat more sense about football, Bielsa or Rodgers.

 

[Martin Alvito]

I think our problem is, all the many managers we bring in have a massive say in who we sign. As we get through so many managers they all bring in their type of players, then they get sacked and the next manager doesn't like the players he has inherited and pushes to bring in his choices, then he gets sacked and...rinse and repeat. That's how we have managed to get such an unbalanced squad.

The original sin was bringing in a bunch of mediocre players with the Lukaku money without replacing him. We've had thin, goal-challenged squads ever since. The only respectable goals-for tally since Lukaku was in Silva's first season, with 54. Every other season prior to this one ended up in the mid-forties.

We then just compounded the first error by bringing in a lot of 'win-now' players (and a manager) at the peak of their market value. We could have afforded to sell parts that no longer fit and buy ones that do if we hadn't put ourselves in fiscal handcuffs, which probably leads to more stability in the manager's chair.

Any mid-table club that had the four windows we just had would struggle. The last two seasons were like being a short-stacked poker player, forced to take some calculated risks to stay in the game and knowing that if the cards come up wrong we're down. The frustrating part is that we did it to ourselves.

 

[AndyRJ]

I see Dyche keeping us up as the most impressive individual managerial achievement in almost a decade at the club.

I see constant bed wetting, a false sense of entitlement and misguided reality as to what Everton currently is as a football club as a contributary factor to driving us to the brink, again.

I think you overestimate the team we have. The reality is - a team who can't score goals are always going to be bang in trouble. Any manager needs to surrender any ideas they have around football to try an compensate for that god awful final third we have. I guarantee if I searched your posts in August/September when the window shut - you be posting we'd be fine and wouldn't struggle for goals.

I think you overestimate where we will be as a club next season. The aim of next season is to avoid relegation.

I'll say it again, if you're saying to sack Dyche now, tell us who replaces him. If you cant do that, tell me what 'progressive' means? Because to me, it's about consolidation/trying to stay in this league until we have new owners/Bramley Moore is built.

When Dyche was appointed I thought it would be an absolute miracle if he kept us up and a far bigger achievement than Frank doing it last season.

We were in a worse position in terms of points, games played and upcoming fixtures. Not to mention being completely devoid of attacking options/ creativity and the boards inability to provide him with ANY reinforcements in the January transfer window.

It's still touch and go now whether we do stay in the league but if it happens, Dyche deserves all the plaudits he can get. He absolutely deserves to retain his job and the board have to find some way of backing him and recruiting wisely or else we will be in the same position next season and eventually our luck will run out.