2023/24 Sean Dyche

[Raino85]

They took a while to adjust to the league and now that they have , their home form is quite good while ours has 3 wins all season.

I worry that unless we change our thinking at home we will be getting relagated … undeservedly , but still going down.

What is Luton's home record mate?

 

[Raino85]

They took a while to adjust to the league and now that they have , their home form is quite good while ours has 3 wins all season.

I worry that unless we change our thinking at home we will be getting relagated … undeservedly , but still going down.

What is Luton's home record mate?

 

[Raino85]

From a stubborn man like him I'd imagine the answer is "because I make up the rules" or something daft lol

Dyche has worn me down to not even questioning him these days (to be fair, 12th without points deduction is a good points haul)

But i don't really question his reluctance to change the starting XI, playing anyone but Patterson at right back, and non substitutions any more as there is absolutely no point! He's that consistent in that its 'his way, and that's how it will get done' that it isn't worth complaining

 

[Raino85]

Think they are three defenders and a bit of depth away from not worrying about relegation mate.

Though year two can be tricky, in the PL after promotion.

The problem with our home form is identity, we are internally a big club, yet on the field we still have limited quality - we go at teams at home that leaves is more vulnerable and they sit back and try and counter, the home and away thing is based on expectation, mentality, identity and quality IMO.

Identity isn't a real thing in football mate!
You don't win or lose games because of identity!

We are a defensive team, with most of our good players being defensive players!
We struggle to break teams down at home because we don't have the quality to sustain pressure in teams!
Away from home we sit in stay organised and look to hit teams on the break, we don't do that at home as teams don't play high lines against us (teams that do such as Spurs/Villa, we get decent results despite them having better players)

 

[MikeH72]

What is Luton's home record mate?

We’ve picked up more home points than them lol

 

[Neiler]

Identity isn't a real thing in football mate!
You don't win or lose games because of identity!

We are a defensive team, with most of our good players being defensive players!
We struggle to break teams down at home because we don't have the quality to sustain pressure in teams!
Away from home we sit in stay organised and look to hit teams on the break, we don't do that at home as teams don't play high lines against us (teams that do such as Spurs/Villa, we get decent results despite them having better players)

Would disagree mate, identity is a very real thing in football, you can call it a number of things, culture, values, mentality, method and application. You can call it anything you like philosophy or whatever, its semantics really.

Most teams have a descript identity and you need it for cohesion and clarity.

City have one, Arsenal have one, Spurs have one, Villa have one, Brighton have one and a few others - its a sign of a good manager when you can implement one.

A team that doesn't would be Utd the last few seasons and Chelsea at the moment, prob Palace at the moment also and arguably Forrest. They will talk about transition and maybe that's right - but overall its trying to imbed what i talk about above.

Take our last what - 5 managers each tried to impart their own sense of identity on to the team, Martinez was different to Moyes, Koeman, Sam was different Silva, Carlo was different to Marco, Benitez was different to Lampard, Dyche is different to Lampard.

Its fundamentally important in my opinion, we haven't had it consistently for beards, regardless if you are are fan of it not, we are at a point where we need consistency in identity and build on that for a few years.

I don't disagree with your analysis of how we play, but i think the lack of resources prob dictate what we are capable of offensively. Its a very real thing as we know from the porridge we are in.

Somehow we're competitive.

 

[Raino85]

Would disagree mate, identity is a very real thing in football, you can call it a number of things, culture, values, mentality, method and application. You can call it anything you like philosophy or whatever, its semantics really.

Most teams have a descript identity and you need it for cohesion and clarity.

City have one, Arsenal have one, Spurs have one, Villa have one, Brighton have one and a few others - its a sign of a good manager when you can implement one.

A team that doesn't would be Utd the last few seasons and Chelsea at the moment, prob Palace at the moment also and arguably Forrest. They will talk about transition and maybe that's right - but overall its trying to imbed what i talk about above.

Take our last what - 5 managers each tried to impart their own sense of identity on to the team, Martinez was different to Moyes, Koeman, Sam was different Silva, Carlo was different to Marco, Benitez was different to Lampard, Dyche is different to Lampard.

Its fundamentally important in my opinion, we haven't had it consistently for beards, regardless if you are are fan of it not, we are at a point where we need consistency in identity and build on that for a few years.

I don't disagree with your analysis of how we play, but i think the lack of resources prob dictate what we are capable of offensively. Its a very real thing as we know from the porridge we are in.

Somehow we're competitive.

You are mistaking an identity with quality there mate!

We have an identity, we are defensive & workmanlike!
That identity means we aren't great at home but alright away!
If we had more quality, we would win more games!

 

[Neiler]

You are mistaking an identity with quality there mate!

We have an identity, we are defensive & workmanlike!
That identity means we aren't great at home but alright away!
If we had more quality, we would win more games!

We've had quality players like Richarlison and Gordon etc in recent seasons and nearly gone down.

Why because the team lacked mentaility, values, method and character i.e identity.

Im not disagreeing with your point on quality over all, obviously its variable.

But i do think the difference between winning 19 points at this stage last season and 29 this season - is down to clear change in our
values, mentality, method and character i.e identity.

It drove me mad the last few years, before Dyche came in. I couldn't identify with those Everton teams.

If you just throw money at quality, you dont get very far, i.e. Everton, Chelsea at the moment and early City. Though admittedly i think that is a prevailing logic amongst most fans.

 

[JLW]

You are mistaking an identity with quality there mate!

We have an identity, we are defensive & workmanlike!
That identity means we aren't great at home but alright away!
If we had more quality, we would win more games!

I dont believe with different players/better quality we would be any different.

Whilst this manager is here this is how we will play.

Its defend at all costs and then see if we can nick a goal from somewhere.
Our wingers primary job is too defend then attack when its possible.

 

[Titus Bramble]

I dont believe with different players/better quality we would be any different.

Whilst this manager is here this is how we will play.

Its defend at all costs and then see if we can nick a goal from somewhere.
Our wingers primary job is too defend then attack when its possible.

Aye - and that has us with the most clean sheets this season, conceding more overall than only the RS, City and Arsenal.

Dyche has stabilised us this season. We very rarely get battered and we only need to score the odd goal to come away with a result.

In my opinion, considering the mess we're in, that's fine for now.

 

[JLW]

Aye - and that has us with the most clean sheets this season, conceding more overall than only the RS, City and Arsenal.

Dyche has stabilised us this season. We very rarely get battered and we only need to score the odd goal to come away with a result.

In my opinion, considering the mess we're in, that's fine for now.

Yes, if we can get shot of Moshiri and get this points deduction out of the way and still retain PL status by the end of season then he has done a very good job and he probably is the right man right now. (cant believe im saying that)

But, if all the above happens i would get rid in the summer and say thank you to him.

Hi terrible style of football is imo the reason why we have so many forward/attacking players out of form.
We don't keep the ball long enough in games, its get the ball forward quickly and feed of scraps (percentage football) how are players meant to be in form when they don't have the ball? All they do is chase the ball down constantly, they need the ball at their fet to gain confidence.

Its eye aids watching us absolutely horrendous.
It looks like we only work on shape without the ball and zilch with the ball, just hoofball it and hope for the best.

I can put with that for the rest of this season because of the circumstances but beyond that, no.

 

[Titus Bramble]

Yes, if we can get shot of Moshiri and get this points deduction out of the way and still retain PL status by the end of season then he has done a very good job and he probably is the right man right now. (cant believe im saying that)

But, if all the above happens i would get rid in the summer and say thank you to him.

Hi terrible style of football is imo the reason why we have so many forward/attacking players out of form.
We don't keep the ball long enough in games, its get the ball forward quickly and feed of scraps (percentage football) how are players meant to be in form when they don't have the ball? All they do is chase the ball down constantly, they need the ball at their fet to gain confidence.

Its eye aids watching us absolutely horrendous.
It looks like we only work on shape without the ball and zilch with the ball, just hoofball it and hope for the best.

I can put with that for the rest of this season because of the circumstances but beyond that, no.

There’s an awful lot that can happen between now and then end of the season/start of next season for us.

I’m inclined to feel that a change in manager this summer might be a little too early… another 12 months' stability sounds very tempting to me right now after the last 2 and half seasons - a change of manager always brings with is risk.

Oh what I’d give for just a single, stress free, boring mid table obscurity season.

 

[Bluedyhell]

Has Dyche got the backing of the majority or the vast majority of blues? Or maybe he has no such majority at all? Hard to tell on here and even harder to tell at Goodison.

 

[Lobworm]

There’s an awful lot that can happen between now and then end of the season/start of next season for us.

I’m inclined to feel that a change in manager this summer might be a little too early… another 12 months' stability sounds very tempting to me right now after the last 2 and half seasons - a change of manager always brings with is risk.

Oh what I’d give for just a single, stress free, boring mid table obscurity season.

We pretty much have that now, save for the minus 10 points malarkey.

 

[JimmyK]

We've had quality players like Richarlison and Gordon etc in recent seasons and nearly gone down.

Why because the team lacked mentaility, values, method and character i.e identity.

Im not disagreeing with your point on quality over all, obviously its variable.

But i do think the difference between winning 19 points at this stage last season and 29 this season - is down to clear change in our
values, mentality, method and character i.e identity.

It drove me mad the last few years, before Dyche came in. I couldn't identify with those Everton teams.

If you just throw money at quality, you dont get very far, i.e. Everton, Chelsea at the moment and early City. Though admittedly i think that is a prevailing logic amongst most fans.

I think it’s about a lot more than identity myself and I don’t agree at all that the home results are poor because of identity but I do agree the team has got better at responding to bad situations over the last year.