2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[MrGrumpy]

Frighteningly similar... got to go and TFG just sat on their hands expecting it to turn around is pure negligence.

An you know that for a fact how?

They could be sorting the next manager out already, this is a new Everton not and Everton who fires a manager then goes.. Right what’s the plan?
These will remove him when his replacement is ready

 

[MikeH72]

Beckham had no pace but the squad did. But his delivery was second to none. And only needed a yard to be dangerous.
The fact Dyche sets out wide so deep is to cover 39year old young and myko as full backs. The less space the opposition have out wide the harder it is to expose our weaknesses.

Ipswich have a genuine goal threat in delap. I think they drop off towards the end of the season though. Lacking any depth.

He’s making the decision to play a 39 year old that needs covering

Honestly your defence of him is embarrassing at this point. If you put Delap in our squad he would’ve played about 20 minutes in total all season because the manager wouldn’t have deemed him ready.

 

[Neiler]

That’s too late for me. Whole windows done. Need to give a new manager at least a chance. And while I think ultimately it’s down to the dof on transfers, there’s no point him spending money if it’s on players Dyche just won’t use.

Id be very surprised if he goes before then if I'm honest. But as i said yesterday with TFG no body knows. Ideally i think they'd like to keep him for a vartiety of reasons, so i think they will give him a shot, but ultimately its a results business and as or if jeopardy increases you are giving people a decision to make.

I'm not expecting us to do a lot of business in January and any we do i think targets will be planned for a long time or even old ones we may have the cash flow now to complete, its if they are gettable or not for me.

 

[Blue peter]

We shouldn't accept being bent over Allardyce-style again. 6 months, you'll be paid very handsomely for it and a bonus if you keep us up.

Would rather not go with Moyes though.

If it kept us up I would. Moyes’ effectiveness generally tends not to be quick hit, the only hope would be that given he’s been out of a job, he would have done his homework on us and our players and could come in with a plan straight away.

It galls me to have to look back to go forward as there is more than a handful of managers, but given where we are in the season, if Dyche’s position is untenable (which I think it is) and there are no suitable replacements because of where we are in the season, it would be a no brainer.

 

[evertony]

No jeopardy for any of his favourite wasters ever getting dropped by this fella.

The only ones who should start against Bournemouth are JP. Branthwaite, mangala, gana, ndiaye and broja - if he has any ball’s he’d bomb the rest.

Try something different ffs.

Patterson and O’Brien in defence, or go 3-4-3 - just anything to change the dross.

Get ndiaye in the number 10, lindstrom and chermiti on the pitch or play dcl/broja together - just anything to get players nearer the forwards.

Fill the bench with kids who are under contract and actually give a frig, and let the rest of the crabs rot until their contracts run out.

I’d take baines as caretaker right now, he could not do any worse.

That avatar needs awarding….first class.

 

[chicoazul]

I like how when some of you get really upset about this soccer thing you go all Karen and use terms like utterly ridiculous and absolute disgrace. Tickles me.

Anyway carry on lads.

 

[evertony]

“ it would take a significant decline in both results and league table position for them to consider sacking him mid-season.”

Im not sure it even possible for results or league position to significantly decline. We are only 2 points clear of relegation as it is.

I think last nights Ipswich result might hasten a decision, especially if we lose at Bournemouth.

 

[chicoazul]

This thread is the biggest Like Farm operation going on. It’s just a repetition of the same points written in slightly different styles for their opinion mates to validate.

Lads do we think as fully grown adults we have had a really good Christmas arguing on a soccer forum on the internet?

 

[evertony]

I watch a lot of football, and honestly, almost every other team in this division are entertaining to watch.

They attack with pace and numbers, they take inventive set pieces, they keep the ball on the floor. Even Southampton, you can see what they are trying to do at least.

When I watch us, I’m actually embarrassed. Aimless long balls into the box. Central defenders hitting 50 yard diagonals like a rugby player kicking for touch.

This isn’t football. Not in any modern sense.

If you are still supporting Dyche, then get up off your knees and grow a pair. Go and watch some kids kicking a ball in the street or go down to your local Sunday league matches. Just re-discover the joy in the game.

It’s not meant to be torture, and it doesn’t have to be.

Exactly my view.

 

[Neiler]

If it kept us up I would. Moyes’ effectiveness generally tends not to be quick hit, the only hope would be that given he’s been out of a job, he would have done his homework on us and our players and could come in with a plan straight away.

It galls me to have to look back to go forward as there is more than a handful of managers, but given where we are in the season, if Dyche’s position is untenable (which I think it is) and there are no suitable replacements because of where we are in the season, it would be a no brainer.

Ill qualify this by saying im a big Moyes fan and id be happy to bring him back.

However if we look objectively at the Dyche situation, would bringing Moyes back at this particular juncture be repeating what we did with Dyche.

We brought Dyche in because we needed a pragmatic manager, to get % results under adverse circumstances to keep us in the division. Now we want him gone because he's a pragmatic manager who gets % results in adverse circumstances to just keep us in the division.

If we bring Moyes in to "steady the ship" as we did with Dyche two years ago, are we not just repeating the same cycle and people will want something different again in the summer. Instinctively though Moyes has all the qualities we need presently.

Its almost like wed want a manager with certain traits for now and another in the summer - that may be impossible to reconcile - which is partly why i think if we change managers it will be Moyes.

In all honesty however, there will never be one universal fan accepted manager, Carlo proved that.

 

[ToffeeScot]

Supporting and Dyche and sympathetic to tools he has available are two different things.

I coach football, and would never have my teams playing like this.

But I look at the materials and don’t think I could play this squad. Our wingers aren’t fast, we have no outlets and they have no goals in the squad.

He has done what I wanted him to do which was get us to this point. Head above water and new owners.

The new plan needs to kick in now. If that involves big money investment and new managers that’s okay.

We are potentially in a dead zone with the management team and key playing staff running contracts down and possibly not invested in the future.

I'm tired of this argument that the team is incapable of playing in a different way. It's tosh. We see time and time again when sides sack and hire a new manager and their style changes from one week to the next. Dyche isn't setting the team up to play like this because he has no choice. He's setting them up like this because that's Sean Dyche.

 

[Blue peter]

I like how when some of you get really upset about this soccer thing you go all Karen and use terms like utterly ridiculous and absolute disgrace. Tickles me.

Anyway carry on lads.

What a contemptible post

 

[ForeverEverton]

An you know that for a fact how?

They could be sorting the next manager out already, this is a new Everton not and Everton who fires a manager then goes.. Right what’s the plan?
These will remove him when his replacement is ready

Dyche is still here, so from what you`re saying they can`t get anyone? I guess the managerial chaos at Roma has found it`s way here!

I knew they weren`t looking to replace Dyche until at least the end of the season, that was reported by many of the client journos, I got so many pelters by everyone saying they will be interviewing months ago and getting their plans in place... yet in reality they have put the TFG group guys on the board which is legally required, presumably because they haven`t found anyone to do them jobs aswell and kept Chongy on... I was right again, I don`t know how many times I need to be keep being proven right.

So tell me what they have done exactly that would directly improve our league placing... nothing.

And they don`t intend to... not till the end of season at the earliest. At least Moshiri would have booted this prick had he been engaged, Moshiri wouldn`t have put up with this but TFG are having him. New takeover that on the footballing side is proving worse than where we were before they took over....

TFG aren`t proving themselves to be good owners at all, in fact what is the difference between them and Moshiri? Don`t say anything and don`t do anything? TFG are disengaged Moshiri 2.0....

 

[Blue peter]

Ill qualify this by saying im a big Moyes fan and id be happy to bring him back.

However if we look objectively at the Dyche situation, would brining Moyes back at this particular juncture be repeating what we did with Dyche.

We brought Dyche in because we needed a pragmatic manager, to get % results under adverse circumstances to keep us in the division. Now we want him gone because he's a pragmatic manager who gets in adverse circumstances to just keep us in the division.

Id we bring Moyes in "steady the ship" as we did with Dyche two years ago, are we not just repeating the same cycle and people will want something different again in the summer. Instinctively though Moyes has all the qualities we need presently.

Its almost like you want a manager with certain traits for now and another in the summer - that may be impossible to reconcile - which is partly why i think if we change managers it will be Moyes.

In all honesty however, there i will never be one universal fan accepted manager, Carlo proved that.

Agree with all of that mate, and we may just need a boom and bust cycle. Dyche was the boom, now going bust so we need a new injection of ideas hence just the 18 month contract. It does feel like repetition and even counter intuitive, I just think that Dyche has ran out of what ideas he had, particularly when less and less shielding the players in his post match interviews.

 

[Terrarian]

The thumb acting like a child again, shock horror