Charles Hawtrey
Player Valuation: £50m
Same here, I was expecting more pictures in this thread!
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....winning the 2nd ball is not just about desire, it’s about physicality & mobility. Without Doucoure, it’s always going to be a problem as Gomes, Davies and Allen can’t be described as sharp.
Indeed. Said as much.
Mentality is a factor when it comes to pressing etc though.
Compare the attitude (or desire...) of the midfield vs Liverpool and vs Burnley.
vs Liverpool Doucoure, Davies, Gomes, Rodriguez. Not much more physicality there.
Blue Roo
Player Valuation: £15m
this has happened at least 3 times in last couple of matches with gomes being the main offender -
there are two or three players already pressing opposition in tight space along the line
gomes hesitantly comes in to the direct play, he firstly makes the others hesitant/confused as to what each is doing by joining them
then he goes further into the huddle, making an absolute tit of himself by contributing nothing and making the press less effective
but whats farcical is the opposition maintain possession by passing out through the exact space gomes came from
utterly clueless.
there are two or three players already pressing opposition in tight space along the line
gomes hesitantly comes in to the direct play, he firstly makes the others hesitant/confused as to what each is doing by joining them
then he goes further into the huddle, making an absolute tit of himself by contributing nothing and making the press less effective
but whats farcical is the opposition maintain possession by passing out through the exact space gomes came from
utterly clueless.
I think the issue is that Gomes is crap.
Martin Alvito
Player Valuation: £50m
He's signed two midfielders that are part of the solution to the second ball problem (Allan/Doucoure), one that unexpectedly has been chronically injured (Gbamin) and two that are part of the problem (Gomes/Delph), plus Rodriguez.
His predecessors signed no solutions, only problems. Not that I'm saying that the other midfielders don't have their uses, but rather that ball pressure isn't one of them.
It makes me wonder what the hit/bust rate is for midfielders generally, and why our hit rate has been so poor.
Blue Roo
Player Valuation: £15m
I genuinely think in these instances he is not confident/courageous enough to hold the exit line; of getting found out?
so he goes in looking like he is actually doing something/ showing intent when its anything but.
everton1953
Player Valuation: £40m
When I saw the title of the thread I thought perhaps the word "UP" was omitted in error.
I've tried to think of what the issue is but anytime he shows any sign of being a footballer, he immediately undoes it by doing something you would laugh at if watching Sunday League. He his horrendous, even more so when he plays in the same midfield as Davies.
Spot on, this. Especially as we’ve really suffered against teams that press us high. Simple solution is to go long from the keeper, and we have one of the best aerial ball winners in the PL up front but no energy/desire/common sense to be around him for the knockdowns.
It wouldn’t QUITE be so bad if it was because the CMs were all rigidly stuck in their assigned defensive positions, because when the ball comes back at us they’re nowhere to be seen!!!
It wouldn’t QUITE be so bad if it was because the CMs were all rigidly stuck in their assigned defensive positions, because when the ball comes back at us they’re nowhere to be seen!!!
Seathestars
Player Valuation: £60m
I never knew this. I’ve never really rated him because I think he should offer more, having read that now he should offer a serious threat going forward to balance his weakness but he doesn’t. I can’t even remember the last time he scored
We all do forget that Tom Davies is still about 15 don’t we?
I like him but I get what you mean.
It's frustrating because combativeness and effort is the least we should expect.
I think big strides were made with the purchase of Allan and Doucoure and its notable we haven't been able to play both of them.
Gomes and Sigurdson are slow and Iwobi is passive.
On a slightly related point, I'm also not sure the front two is working. I can understand why they are persevering but the link up doesn't seem to be working or for this thread, the pressing.
I think big strides were made with the purchase of Allan and Doucoure and its notable we haven't been able to play both of them.
Gomes and Sigurdson are slow and Iwobi is passive.
On a slightly related point, I'm also not sure the front two is working. I can understand why they are persevering but the link up doesn't seem to be working or for this thread, the pressing.
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