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[GhostOfDixie]

Yep, maybe he confused me with someone else?

Back to the justice thing. No doubt the victims of many vigilantes deserve the treatment they get. But the law cannot recognise that as fact. It must treat everyone as equal under its remit. Otherwise what is the point of law? If some of us are not provided with its protection, we're going down a very slippery slope indeed. Plus I do believe that the average vigilante is not sound of mind, and is probably criminally inclined himself. Obviously I do not intend this to mean revenge attacks by family members which are more than understandable. These people are not vigilantes at all in my book.

Sure I understand where your coming from, nobody wants anarchy. But the government develop punishments that truly do not fit the crime. Its not just one event, its plenty. For example, how come it costs £2000 to put your feet up on a train seat - yet only £60 to speed at a level that has been proven to have killed children.

It's barmy.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

He was convicted by a court of law and he served some excuse of a sentence.

So were the Birmingham 6 and the Guildford 4, or was it the guildford 6 and the Birmingham 4? ah [Poor language removed] it, you know what I mean.

 

[harry]

i thought they was guilty? did they ever catch anyone else?

 

[Nebbiolo]

Sure I understand where your coming from, nobody wants anarchy. But the government develop punishments that truly do not fit the crime. Its not just one event, its plenty. For example, how come it costs £2000 to put your feet up on a train seat - yet only £60 to speed at a level that has been proven to have killed children.

It's barmy.

It is barmy, mate. You refer to the speed issue which is a joke to be honest. How many people break the law every day, for years on end, yet never get a speeding ticket? Or if they do end up with a ticket and a fine of about £60, they whinge and whine about it. Think about how many people die or are crippled on our roads each year. Yet the majority of motorists feel that they have every right to break the law. Speed does lead to deaths, yet speeding motorists are treated like they've done hardly anything wrong at all.

 

[gordonjblair]

from what's come out since the first reports, and the police saying that they think it's due to offences committed recently, I've got to say (and I know Suits will like this and Neb won't) that while there is no recourse to permanently remove someone who offers limited contribution to society, but presents persistent danger and a clear will to reoffend at every opportunity without remorse, you will always get a response like this.

Apparently he had been recently removed from the register, despite accusations that he had recently molested a 2yr old girl.

My little girl's 3, and if I'm to be absolutely honest, if it'd been her, yes, I'd have done him.

 

[Nebbiolo]

from what's come out since the first reports, and the police saying that they think it's due to offences committed recently, I've got to say (and I know Suits will like this and Neb won't) that while there is no recourse to permanently remove someone who offers limited contribution to society, but presents persistent danger and a clear will to reoffend at every opportunity without remorse, you will always get a response like this.

Apparently he had been recently removed from the register, despite accusations that he had recently molested a 2yr old girl.

My little girl's 3, and if I'm to be absolutely honest, if it'd been her, yes, I'd have done him.

No problem with that, Gordon. I don't have children, but if anyone hurt my wife, I'd be looking for revenge.

My issue is with the vigilante mentality; that is, those individuals that go around meting out justice to all and sundry. But like you show, it is hardly surprising that victims of crime and their families seek revenge.

Now, such individuals should of course end up in court. To not prosecute would be an open invitation for people to do anything they please. But I'm reasonably satisfied that under the circumstances you describe, the system would ensure that they don't serve time.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

No problem with that, Gordon. I don't have children, but if anyone hurt my wife, I'd be looking for revenge.

My issue is with the vigilante mentality; that is, those individuals that go around meting out justice to all and sundry. But like you show, it is hardly surprising that victims of crime and their families seek revenge.

Now, such individuals should of course end up in court. To not prosecute would be an open invitation for people to do anything they please. But I'm reasonably satisfied that under the circumstances you describe, the system would ensure that they don't serve time.

The people who murdered this guy should be arrested and charged with murder and sentanced appropiatly to whatever term the law states.

Poor inadequate sentancing by a government is not an excuse for murder.

Whether the guy was innocent or guilty as hell makes no difference. Because who is then to judge which vigilante justice is ok and which isn't?

Why shouldn't the victims relatives go out and kill the mob who killed the victim? What if the victim was a paedophile but was sexually abused himself? And so on and so on.

 

[gordonjblair]

No problem with that, Gordon. I don't have children, but if anyone hurt my wife, I'd be looking for revenge.

My issue is with the vigilante mentality; that is, those individuals that go around meting out justice to all and sundry. But like you show, it is hardly surprising that victims of crime and their families seek revenge.

Now, such individuals should of course end up in court. To not prosecute would be an open invitation for people to do anything they please. But I'm reasonably satisfied that under the circumstances you describe, the system would ensure that they don't serve time.

they probably would serve time, and be prepared to under the circumstances... you make a good point though, the propensity for 'rent a mob'... there are a type of people who would go along, just for the opportunity to give someone a proper kicking, and they'd enjoy it, whatever the reason or cause was... there's the problem.

 

[gordonjblair]

Why shouldn't the victims relatives go out and kill the mob who killed the victim? What if the victim was a paedophile but was sexually abused himself? And so on and so on.

not much likelihood of that, they refused to even identify his body, but you're right, it is still a criminal act punishable by law.

 

[Nebbiolo]

they probably would serve time, and be prepared to under the circumstances... you make a good point though, the propensity for 'rent a mob'... there are a type of people who would go along, just for the opportunity to give someone a proper kicking, and they'd enjoy it, whatever the reason or cause was... there's the problem.

Daily Mail, paediatrician.

These are the ones that worry me.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

not much likelihood of that, they refused to even identify his body, but you're right, it is still a criminal act punishable by law.

Yeah i know there aint much chance of his family wanting to in this case, but if vigilante justice is allowed then next time the victims family may well want revenge. And surely by the example of vigilante justice previously allowed to happen they will get it.

Its a very slippery slope.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Yeah i know there aint much chance of his family wanting to in this case, but if vigilante justice is allowed then next time the victims family may well want revenge. And surely by the example of vigilante justice previously allowed to happen they will get it.

Its a very slippery slope.

Good post, Death. You're correct in my opinion (whether that counts for much is debatable ).

 

[Bluelass]

It is barmy, mate. You refer to the speed issue which is a joke to be honest. How many people break the law every day, for years on end, yet never get a speeding ticket? Or if they do end up with a ticket and a fine of about £60, they whinge and whine about it. Think about how many people die or are crippled on our roads each year. Yet the majority of motorists feel that they have every right to break the law. Speed does lead to deaths, yet speeding motorists are treated like they've done hardly anything wrong at all.

Last Friday two innocent people were killed just outside Mold by a lad who, allegedly, was racing with a mate in another vehicle. Witnesses have said, allegedly, that they were driving well above the speed limit. The Corsa hit a Focus coming the other way, two elderly people going shopping died at the scene and the young passenger of the lads car is still in a critical condition. The lad himself got a broken leg and was arrested for causing death by dangerous driving.
He may get 7 years if he's found guilty. People who know him say that he's been driving like a pillock since he started and it was only a matter of time before he killed someone.
As far as I'm concerned driving at an inappropriate speed and like a wally is like wandering the streets with a loaded gun.
Oops, sorry Mrs, didnt mean to kill you, I was just having a laugh with me mates.


chuck the book at him.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Last Friday two innocent people were killed just outside Mold by a lad who, allegedly, was racing with a mate in another vehicle. Witnesses have said, allegedly, that they were driving well above the speed limit. The Corsa hit a Focus coming the other way, two elderly people going shopping died at the scene and the young passenger of the lads car is still in a critical condition. The lad himself got a broken leg and was arrested for causing death by dangerous driving.
He may get 7 years if he's found guilty. People who know him say that he's been driving like a pillock since he started and it was only a matter of time before he killed someone.
As far as I'm concerned driving at an inappropriate speed and like a wally is like wandering the streets with a loaded gun.
Oops, sorry Mrs, didnt mean to kill you, I was just having a laugh with me mates.


chuck the book at him.

Something needs to change, Bluelass. It's getting silly on the roads with people acting as though law-abiding motorists are somehow in the way of them getting from A to B in seconds flat. I'm personally tired of people pushing and shoving me on the road. I always do the legal limit. I don't crawl along like a snail. I just do what the law says I can. Yet still I have areholes tailgating as if I'm some kind of old fart holding the world up.

But here is the thing. The majority of people wouldn't dare do that to me if we were walking down the street. So why do it from the relative safety of their cars? Why do people assume that because they're encased in a couple of tonnes of metal, that the normal rules of courtesy don't apply?

 

[Cal]

You can blame it on the boy racers or the idiots who drive excessley over the speed limit, but their should be a blame given to people who drive WELL UNDER the speed limit.

The [Poor language removed] idiots are to blame for many accidents too.

And people who aren't confident on the road, being too cautious causes alot of accidents.