Should Martinez be sacked? (Post-Stoke poll)

Should Martinez be sacked?

  • Yes

    Votes: 121 20.3%

  • No

    Votes: 475 79.7%
  • Total voters
    596
  • Poll closed .
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davek said:
I try to answer all your questions.,,even the one you accuse me of ducking re the system and the players. It's a chicken and egg argument. There's no way of nailing down which it is. We decide through the weight of facts we allow which is the answer. For me it's the players at fault. You may feel you have the greater factual evidence to support the theory it's the system. I dont see how you can, but it's your opinion.

I do hope that fully answers your enquiry at last, or at least draws a line under it.
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Ha ha ha. Very droll. It doesn't draw a line under anything except that you consistantly refuse to call Martinez out on making the players he has play in a manner some of them now can't cope with.

If you had said something along the following lines of... 'I admire Martinez' staunch belief in his system, one that worked well for the majority of last season, but ought now to alter it somewhat or derive a plan B as the independant will of the opposition has put more of a squeeze on aforementioned system and some of the players are now being stretched and isolated because of it'

Then we might have had a bit less of the agro and finger pointing. Every manager is responsible for the players they select to go out on the pitch, that so many are following his instructions regardless of how much trouble it is getting them in is a sign that the players are on his side, that they are trying their damnedest, the squad believes in him and the system. Like every manager it is on him to make a change, big or small for the fortunes of the club on the field. That is what great swathes of the support are wanting and demanding.

Over to you mate.
 

L4Everton said:
Ha ha ha. Very droll. It doesn't draw a line under anything except that you consistantly refuse to call Martinez out on making the players he has play in a manner some of them now can't cope with.

If you had said something along the following lines of... 'I admire Martinez' staunch belief in his system, one that worked well for the majority of last season, but ought now to alter it somewhat or derive a plan B as the independant will of the opposition has put more of a squeeze on aforementioned system and some of the players are now being stretched and isolated because of it'

Then we might have had a bit less of the agro and finger pointing. Every manager is responsible for the players they select to go out on the pitch, that so many are following his instructions regardless of how much trouble it is getting them in is a sign that the players are on his side, that they are trying their damnedest, the squad believes in him and the system. Like every manager it is on him to make a change, big or small for the fortunes of the club on the field. That is what great swathes of the support are wanting and demanding.

Over to you mate.
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Sacking RM wouldn't bear fruit as the next manager would still have the problem which is Tim Howard, Jagielka and Distin at the back. Until this is addressed by Kenwright then Everton will struggle.

Distin shouldn't be starting games in the Premier League IMO. Jagielka used to be one of my favourite CBs in England but his best days are long gone, he actually reminds me of Ferdinand - his stock has falling very quickly over the last 18 months.

Get in a new keeper and 2 CBs and you're in business.
 

Let me state I voted No he should not be sacked and I haven't changed my mind.

I want Bobby to succeed with us.

I am however a concerned Evertonian at the moment.

So I want to pose this question to the blokes whom maintain absolute faith in Bobby's methods.

If the next nine matches follow the same pattern as the previous nine and we are in the middle of a relegation dogfight, sticking doggedly to the system which for whatever reason has landed us in that mess, will you then call out for a change of tack?

Or will you stand resolutely four square behind the Revoloution even to the very maw of the Championship......is relegation a price worth paying so we can continue to "progress the club" and its playing style?

Is Bobby's "philosophy" more important to you that Everton's continued EPL status?

Do you envisage the "long term" goal not being derailed by a season....or two....in the second tier?

This is not a trick question.

I genuinely want to know how far my fellow Blues are prepared to back the tactics currently on display before crying havoc and once more unleashing the Dogs of War.
 
Khalekan said:
Let me state I voted No he should not be sacked and I haven't changed my mind.

I want Bobby to succeed with us.

I am however a concerned Evertonian at the moment.

So I want to pose this question to the blokes whom maintain absolute faith in Bobby's methods.

If the next nine matches follow the same pattern as the previous nine and we are in the middle of a relegation dogfight, sticking doggedly to the system which for whatever reason has landed us in that mess, will you then call out for a change of tack?

Or will you stand resolutely four square behind the Revoloution even to the very maw of the Championship......is relegation a price worth paying so we can continue to "progress the club" and its playing style?

Is Bobby's "philosophy" more important to you that Everton's continued EPL status?

Do you envisage the "long term" goal not being derailed by a season....or two....in the second tier?

This is not a trick question.

I genuinely want to know how far my fellow Blues are prepared to back the tactics currently on display before crying havoc and once more unleashing the Dogs of War.
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That question makes me feel sick to my stomach, because I just do not know in all honesty.

But IF the haul from the next 21 points is 4, (or whatever it has been), I doubt the games after that will be managed by Roberto Martinez anyrate.

But neither do I think that will happen. (Only 4 points)

Great help me.
 
roydo said:
That question makes me feel sick to my stomach, because I just do not know in all honesty.

But IF the haul from the next 21 points is 4, (or whatever it has been), I doubt the games after that will be managed by Roberto Martinez anyrate.

But neither do I think that will happen. (Only 4 points)

Great help me.
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Bill doesn't strike me as a bloke who will sack someone he likes as a person. Get the impression he loves Roberto, and I can see him sticking with him even if he takes us down.
 
harry said:
He also wont panic and sack someone just because we are having a dificult time.
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Nor should he. He stuck with Moyes and that worked out well. I wonder what the cut off point will be though, if indeed we're agreeing there will be one. 10 games to go if we're in a relegation battle? 8? I don't think we'll be involved in one like, just hypothetical.
 

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