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Star Wars - Episode VII

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Finally watched it, some home cinema action to replicate the big screen vibe.

Spoilers ahead obviously, tho' I'm probably the last here to see it lol



Enjoyed it up to the final third, then it tailed off. No original ideas, blatant copy of classic plots, awkward pacing, no magical quiet moments, nothing to enhance the mythology (which the prequels to be fair did), but at least Finn & Rey were lively and much more watchable than stroppy Annakin & cardboard wotserface.

Few musings:

1) why did Han Solo get all that screen time and Luke only get that weird emo-stare at the end? Bad decision all round.
2) how in all the fraks was Finn able to go toe-to-toe in lightsabre battle with a dark lord?
3) why do they all have to be related with each other? incestuous characters to hook audience is sheer lazy writing.
4) Rey's urgent face could do with relaxing once in a while
5) the baddies are totally Nazi trope...again...yawn
6) terrible cheap cartoony CGI for what should've been an awe-inspiring OMG moment: namely the Big Bad reveal...and they even gave him a stupid Disney name...who the hell thought "Snoke" sounded in any way sinister or epic?
7) speaking of reveals, why did the film think it's good drama to reveal heavy stuff so quickly? There's no build-up so we end up just not caring.
Kylo Ren is Solo's son...Rey is force-sensitive and probably Luke's daughter....Cartoon-Gollum is the Big Bad...Leia's not hot anymore. I mean can't they pace this stuff so we get a bit dramatic about it?
8) CGI generally was substandard: I thought they were going back to modelling for this film. Very cartoony in a lot of places, and no sense of depth when the x-wings were flying into trenches.
9) generally the action was often too hectic: no tension. Was bored when I should've been on the edge of my seat.
10) if the Empire keeps getting defeated, how do they always recover so quickly and appear so powerful? Much more effective would've been some insidiousness creeping its way into a peacetime Star Wars universe. Again one of the (few) things the prequels did quite well, and it would've fit better with how RotJ ended.
11) inane characterisations...Kylo Ren initially made a solid impression, but soon became laughable: torturing his officer after he mentions the girl was just silly, and him revealing his pretty emo-face was such a letdown, but not as bad as that "Grandfather" moment...jesus wept.


And tons of other stupid stuff which Mr Plinkett will deffo cover when he finally gets round to it.


I still give it a generous 7/10 because that first hour or so was entertaining, but the film was never really gripping in the way the original trilogy was (and still is). Still much better than Abrams pisspoor Star Trek efforts.
 
dholliday said:
Finally watched it, some home cinema action to replicate the big screen vibe.

Spoilers ahead obviously, tho' I'm probably the last here to see it lol



Enjoyed it up to the final third, then it tailed off. No original ideas, blatant copy of classic plots, awkward pacing, no magical quiet moments, nothing to enhance the mythology (which the prequels to be fair did), but at least Finn & Rey were lively and much more watchable than stroppy Annakin & cardboard wotserface.

Few musings:

1) why did Han Solo get all that screen time and Luke only get that weird emo-stare at the end? Bad decision all round.
2) how in all the fraks was Finn able to go toe-to-toe in lightsabre battle with a dark lord?
3) why do they all have to be related with each other? incestuous characters to hook audience is sheer lazy writing.
4) Rey's urgent face could do with relaxing once in a while
5) the baddies are totally Nazi trope...again...yawn
6) terrible cheap cartoony CGI for what should've been an awe-inspiring OMG moment: namely the Big Bad reveal...and they even gave him a stupid Disney name...who the hell thought "Snoke" sounded in any way sinister or epic?
7) speaking of reveals, why did the film think it's good drama to reveal heavy stuff so quickly? There's no build-up so we end up just not caring.
Kylo Ren is Solo's son...Rey is force-sensitive and probably Luke's daughter....Cartoon-Gollum is the Big Bad...Leia's not hot anymore. I mean can't they pace this stuff so we get a bit dramatic about it?
8) CGI generally was substandard: I thought they were going back to modelling for this film. Very cartoony in a lot of places, and no sense of depth when the x-wings were flying into trenches.
9) generally the action was often too hectic: no tension. Was bored when I should've been on the edge of my seat.
10) if the Empire keeps getting defeated, how do they always recover so quickly and appear so powerful? Much more effective would've been some insidiousness creeping its way into a peacetime Star Wars universe. Again one of the (few) things the prequels did quite well, and it would've fit better with how RotJ ended.
11) inane characterisations...Kylo Ren initially made a solid impression, but soon became laughable: torturing his officer after he mentions the girl was just silly, and him revealing his pretty emo-face was such a letdown, but not as bad as that "Grandfather" moment...jesus wept.


And tons of other stupid stuff which Mr Plinkett will deffo cover when he finally gets round to it.


I still give it a generous 7/10 because that first hour or so was entertaining, but the film was never really gripping in the way the original trilogy was (and still is). Still much better than Abrams pisspoor Star Trek efforts.
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Spot on. Think its a tad overated purely because of how crap episodes 1,2,3 were. Good Enjoyable movie but nothing special
 
Cheap reboots to kickstart a old-new franchise are all the rage these days. Looking forward to Ben Hur II already.
 
evilwebby said:
Cheap reboots to kickstart a old-new franchise are all the rage these days. Looking forward to Ben Hur II already.
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Hollywood has run out of ideas my good man so just take them for what they are. Decent movies in the main for me and they don't take anything away from originals.
 
evilwebby said:
Cheap reboots to kickstart a old-new franchise are all the rage these days. Looking forward to Ben Hur II already.
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there's so much epic sci-fi/space-opera out there: Rendevouz with Rama, Revelation Space, Manifold Cycle....surely someone can make a proper film series out of these?
 

dholliday said:
Finally watched it, some home cinema action to replicate the big screen vibe.

Spoilers ahead obviously, tho' I'm probably the last here to see it lol



Enjoyed it up to the final third, then it tailed off. No original ideas, blatant copy of classic plots, awkward pacing, no magical quiet moments, nothing to enhance the mythology (which the prequels to be fair did), but at least Finn & Rey were lively and much more watchable than stroppy Annakin & cardboard wotserface.

Few musings:

1) why did Han Solo get all that screen time and Luke only get that weird emo-stare at the end? Bad decision all round.
2) how in all the fraks was Finn able to go toe-to-toe in lightsabre battle with a dark lord?
3) why do they all have to be related with each other? incestuous characters to hook audience is sheer lazy writing.
4) Rey's urgent face could do with relaxing once in a while
5) the baddies are totally Nazi trope...again...yawn
6) terrible cheap cartoony CGI for what should've been an awe-inspiring OMG moment: namely the Big Bad reveal...and they even gave him a stupid Disney name...who the hell thought "Snoke" sounded in any way sinister or epic?
7) speaking of reveals, why did the film think it's good drama to reveal heavy stuff so quickly? There's no build-up so we end up just not caring.
Kylo Ren is Solo's son...Rey is force-sensitive and probably Luke's daughter....Cartoon-Gollum is the Big Bad...Leia's not hot anymore. I mean can't they pace this stuff so we get a bit dramatic about it?
8) CGI generally was substandard: I thought they were going back to modelling for this film. Very cartoony in a lot of places, and no sense of depth when the x-wings were flying into trenches.
9) generally the action was often too hectic: no tension. Was bored when I should've been on the edge of my seat.
10) if the Empire keeps getting defeated, how do they always recover so quickly and appear so powerful? Much more effective would've been some insidiousness creeping its way into a peacetime Star Wars universe. Again one of the (few) things the prequels did quite well, and it would've fit better with how RotJ ended.
11) inane characterisations...Kylo Ren initially made a solid impression, but soon became laughable: torturing his officer after he mentions the girl was just silly, and him revealing his pretty emo-face was such a letdown, but not as bad as that "Grandfather" moment...jesus wept.


And tons of other stupid stuff which Mr Plinkett will deffo cover when he finally gets round to it.


I still give it a generous 7/10 because that first hour or so was entertaining, but the film was never really gripping in the way the original trilogy was (and still is). Still much better than Abrams pisspoor Star Trek efforts.
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Actually good point on the empire being defeated so often now.

It almost makes it pointless to even do it. Build a star destroyer and then have it blown up by the end of the film, what is the point? Even this new one, empire reformed, build a star killer (?) and yet again, boom. So where do they go from here? Because clearly building ultimate death machines doesn't work, is there any other ideas they can bring to the table? Will they do a empire strikes film and just delay the new death star reveal for a film so you think its a new idea again?
 
ijjysmith said:
Is she still hot? Please say yes. Even if it's a lie.
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Yes is the answer.

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